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Printer calibration

Laurence Power is off-line
17 February 2015 13:18
LaurenceJPower
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What are you using and would you recommend it (the unit that is)
Laurence J. Power


Steven Jardine is off-linePlatinum Member
18 February 2015 06:36
RedChecker
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I bought a Spyder Print years ago for calibrating a dye-sub printer I had, that had awful problems printing greens and purples... didn't work And I never tried it with my inkjet as I'd pretty much stopped using that at the time in favour of online print services (cheaper, better feel, no need to wait for drying etc.).

I get the impression that printer calibration is less of an issue than most other calibrations (monitor, camera) simply because the inks and paper have strict quality control (assuming you're using genuine ones) and the drivers will know how they behave, as such there will be very little deviation in their output. Certainly for the few last prints I made with my inkjet, I never felt the need to calibrate it as it appeared spot-on.

They are expensive, and bear in mind that when you buy one it may not work with future OS, Mine will no longer work with Windows 8 for example (and perhaps even Windows 7 from memory) and was only bought when Vista was out. A bit cheeky if you ask me, especially as it was the best part of £250 and is now technically 'junk'.
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Laurence Power is off-line
18 February 2015 07:24
LaurenceJPower
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Esher

I bought a Dalacolor Spyder 3 from eBay, initially it did not work however having taken the sensor apart and fixed the switch, I have now got it going. The Fuji it profiled reasonably well, but the Mitsubishi is a complete mess, completely useless. Thus I am now considering a replacement. I did hear from one source that some machines have problems with glossy surfaces hence the problem with dye sub printers.
Laurence J. Power


Steven Jardine is off-linePlatinum Member
18 February 2015 07:46
RedChecker
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Whatever it is with dye-sub printers, I couldn't get mine to work. Muted colours worked fine but once you had strong colours it all went to pot (blues would print as purple for example, and pinks would print as strong red). Although I'd have thought the likes of Mitsubishi would have had profiles to download that you could use.

I think it was the Spider 3 I had as well. Waste of money for me (I bought mine brand new in some fancy case with my monitor calibrator, which too will no longer work when I get a new machine as Datacolor won't update the drivers and instead think you're (ie. they're) better off with you buying a whole new one).
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Hugh Spence is off-line
18 February 2015 08:19
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Quote from RedChecker
I get the impression that printer calibration is less of an issue than most other calibrations (monitor, camera) simply because the inks and paper have strict quality control (assuming you're using genuine ones) and the drivers will know how they behave, as such there will be very little deviation in their output. .


At my club we've had a few speakers who have had their printers callibrated by manufacturers (Fotospeed and Permaject offer a free service of custom progfiling) and have found huge differences between the generic profiles and the ones created for their own printers.
My own printer needs 16% less ink density than the generic profile suggests it should and the prints using a generic profile are way too dark.





Laurence Power is off-line
18 February 2015 08:30
LaurenceJPower
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Surrey
Esher

The generic one for the Mitsubishi is not good, System Insight do a better one and the one that I paid for based on prints from my machine is good. however I have never had one done for the Fuji and I decided that getting my own unit would encourage me to check it on a regular basis and of course do the Fuji from scratch.

I have sent a file to a friend and once he's printed it out will create a profile for him and see if I can improve on his settings. I think this will determine whether it is a dye sub problem or not.
Laurence J. Power


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18 February 2015 08:40
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You say that " The Fuji it profiled reasonably well, but the Mitsubishi is a complete mess "

yet "The generic one for the Mitsubishi is not good, System Insight do a better one and the one that I paid for based on prints from my machine is good. however I have never had one done for the Fuji and I decided that getting my own unit would encourage me to check it on a regular basis and of course do the Fuji from scratch".

Which machine do you need a profile for. (I may be able to help)


Spike is off-line
18 February 2015 09:08
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Borrowed a ColorMunki for my printer worked fine, though initially had problems because I let it calibrate my my screen first which was already profiled with an eyeone, so I was "profiling a profile",
I had to reset stuff & re calibrate the monitor & just let the ColorMunki calibrate the printer.
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Laurence Power is off-line
18 February 2015 09:12
LaurenceJPower
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Surrey
Esher

Pict,

Thanks for your kind offer, the point is that whereas the Mitsubishi CP9550DW profile is OK, my recollection is that the printer has drifted over time and thus I decided to buy a calibration unit. Having used the unit, the profile it generated is considerably worse than that currently in existence, I have therefore discarded the new profile.

Upon further investigation I find that the Fuji generic profile is better than the one produced by the Datacolor unit, albeit considerably closer than the one produced for the Mitsubishi.

I am therefore at a loss to know what to do. Do I splash out more cash on profiles, do I junk the Datacolor unit and look at X-Rite or what?
Laurence J. Power


Laurence Power is off-line
18 February 2015 10:01
LaurenceJPower
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Esher

Quote from Spike
Borrowed a ColorMunki for my printer worked fine, though initially had problems because I let it calibrate my my screen first which was already profiled with an eyeone, so I was "profiling a profile",
I had to reset stuff & re calibrate the monitor & just let the ColorMunki calibrate the printer.



Just tried that, since the monitor did not change colour at all and the printer profiles operate independently from the monitor (hence the problems that people get). this not going to solve it.

I've now sent queries to both Datacolor and X-Rite asking them whether their systems should cope, I will keep you informed.
Laurence J. Power



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