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Casting calls - does a model need to be "xyz" to model "xyz"?

Amber West is off-line
13 January 2015 06:01
Amber6
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Amber6
Location
United Kingdom
Dumfries and Galloway


Quote from Plymjack
A general question but arising from a casting call - I dont think a model needs to be a particular person to model (act?) that role.  So asking for such a person should not be neccessary surely?  If I want a model to sit on a tractor and look like a farm girl I dont ask for a farmer?  If I want 2 girls to do a g/g shoot I dont need to ask them if they are gay or bi do I?




Ugh, I do a lot of girl/girl shoots and I must confess, it's a real pet hate of mine to be asked. I find it rude and generally pretty inappropriate thing to ask a stranger!
I can see from the point of view of the photographer that they might be concerned about getting some 'girl' (not 'model') who simply applies to every casting and therefore has not actually figured out/bothered to find out the meaning of what 'g/g'...
However, surely all you need to do (instead of asking really personal questions about someone's sexuality) is just check they know exactly WHAT shoot entails, say full on kissing, whatever, and then look at their profile and see how good they are with emoting.


G Jack B is off-line
13 January 2015 06:19
Plymjack
Photographer
Plymjack
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United Kingdom
Devon
Plymouth

Quote from Amber6
Ugh, I do a lot of girl/girl shoots and I must confess, it's a real pet hate of mine to be asked. I find it rude and generally pretty inappropriate thing to ask a stranger! .... all you need to do  is just check they know exactly WHAT shoot entails, say full on kissing, whatever, and then look at their profile and see how good they are with emoting.



thank you for providing a models viewpoint... and I totally agree with you.
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Alan Johnson is off-line
13 January 2015 07:28
Alan_Jay
Photographer
Alan_Jay
Location
United Kingdom
South Yorkshire


Quote from Amber6
Ugh, I do a lot of girl/girl shoots and I must confess, it's a real pet hate of mine to be asked. I find it rude and generally pretty inappropriate thing to ask a stranger! I can see from the point of view of the photographer that they might be concerned about getting some 'girl' (not 'model' who simply applies to every casting and therefore has not actually figured out/bothered to find out the meaning of what 'g/g'... However, surely all you need to do (instead of asking really personal questions about someone's sexuality) is just check they know exactly WHAT shoot entails, say full on kissing, whatever, and then look at their profile and see how good they are with emoting.



I absolutely agree Amber.  (although the pedant in me wants to say that rather than 'pretty inappropriate',  it is more 'totally inappropriate'.)
Sticking with the G/G example......Sexual orientation is totally irrelevent.  After all, just because a model is Bi or lesbian,  it in no way suggests that she will be able to produce a G/G image any better than anyone else. 
To my mind the only question is 'are you comfortable and able to do what is required for the image(s) to be successful?'.  
That covers all the bases and, I feel,  stays well away from being inappropriate.

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Steven Jardine is off-linePlatinum Member
13 January 2015 07:38
RedChecker
Photographer
RedChecker
Location
United Kingdom
Buckinghamshire
Stoke Mandeville

Quote from Alan_Jay
Sticking with the G/G example......Sexual orientation is totally irrelevent.  After all, just because a model is Bi or lesbian,  it in no way suggests that she will be able to produce a G/G image any better than anyone else. 



It would surely depend how 'hard' the shoot is.... a girl who's straight may be fine with soft g/g (many are) and do it well but would not be comfortable doing hard g/g as that's far too intimate for them.

Best simply to ask if they're cool with precisely what you need them to do or stick to working with models who you know will fit the bill (and many will know people they work well with and have few / no boundaries with).
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Alan Johnson is off-line
13 January 2015 11:00
Alan_Jay
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Alan_Jay
Location
United Kingdom
South Yorkshire


Quote from RedChecker
It would surely depend how 'hard' the shoot is.... a girl who's straight may be fine with soft g/g (many are) and do it well but would not be comfortable doing hard g/g as that's far too intimate for them.

Best simply to ask if they're cool with precisely what you need them to do or stick to working with models who you know will fit the bill (and many will know people they work well with and have few / no boundaries with).



Agree,  which is why I said
QuoteTo my mind the only question is 'are you comfortable and able to do what is required for the image(s) to be successful?'.  
That covers all the bases and, I feel,  stays well away from being inappropriate.


Admittedly,  I did rather assume people would accept that this sentance wouldn't be the only communication,  after all without knowing what was expected,  no-one could possibly answer it!
So it would look, in very simple terms, like:
"the shoot involves {insert description of what is involved}.  are you comfortable and able to do what is required for the image(s) to be successful?'
Obviously, (or at least I hope it's obvious), the phrasology may be different

However,  I think we're pretty much agreeing that there is no need to ask overly personal questions in a casting.

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13 January 2015 14:04
JadedRed
Model


The saxophone equivalent would in this case be writing to ask the model how she enjoys having the large instrument in her mouth. Being a lesbian does not make you skilled in producing G/G pornography at any level. Being a lesbian does not make you more comfortable with the act of JadedRed is a naughty person strange women on camera. Even a casual glance at model levels generally will show you that most (presumably) straight models are not more comfortable with JadedRed is a naughty person men on camera than women because they are straight off camera. People shouldn't confuse reality and fantasy.



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