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age limits (Republic of Ireland)

Clive Hevey is off-line
27 June 2014 07:29
scruff
Photographer

Location
Ireland
Meath


hi all.i was asked by a 16 year old model for lingerie shots (with her perents permission).is this legal in [Republic of] Ireland or is 18 the age for this?have been told by different things by different people.just like to clear it up one way or another.


G Jack B is off-line
27 June 2014 08:18
Plymjack
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Plymjack
Location
United Kingdom
Devon
Plymouth

would stay well clear of any shoot involving under 18s in ANY country
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redbaron is off-lineSilver Member
27 June 2014 08:47
redbaron
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redbaron
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United Kingdom
Buckinghamshire
Stoke Mandeville

Quote from Plymjack
would stay well clear of any shoot involving under 18s in ANY country



What on earth for? I simply cannot understand this sort of paranoia. Clearly the shoots need to be appropriate and it is wise to insist on a parent being at the session but otherwise age is a non issue.

I'm not familiar with how Irish law differs from the UK so will not try and respond directly. I did however find this pdf which should give you a few useful guides. From a quick glance it looks similar to the UK but there are variances. For example the definition of a child is subtly different.
http://cnci.ie/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Guidelines_for_taking_images.pdf

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Steven Jardine is off-linePlatinum Member
27 June 2014 08:55
RedChecker
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RedChecker
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United Kingdom
Buckinghamshire
Stoke Mandeville

Quote from redbaron
What on earth for? I simply cannot understand this sort of paranoia. Clearly the shoots need to be appropriate and it is wise to insist on a parent being at the session but otherwise age is a non issue.




When it comes to things like lingerie the law is often a grey area and down to wide interpretation.

Far safer to simply avoid all doubt and only shoot adults, especially if the photographer is not doing a professional job as this will raise further doubts about their motives.
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Steven Jardine is off-linePlatinum Member
27 June 2014 09:07
RedChecker
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RedChecker
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United Kingdom
Buckinghamshire
Stoke Mandeville

Not to mention the fact that you only need one irritated/over-concerned parent (not necessarily of the person you're shooting) and they can raise merry hell, especially with social media being what it is.
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redbaron is off-lineSilver Member
27 June 2014 09:22
redbaron
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redbaron
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United Kingdom
Buckinghamshire
Stoke Mandeville

Quote from RedChecker
Not to mention the fact that you only need one irritated/over-concerned parent (not necessarily of the person you're shooting) and they can raise merry hell, especially with social media being what it is.



Apologies. In trying to find a suitable page  in terms of the country I forgot the part about it being a lingerie shoot.. On that of course it is not about the law but the way others may choose to interpret it, however careful you are. I would suggest shorts and a bikini top as the limit. This is where one of the bigger studios chains draw the line for under 18 sessions.

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Anthonygh is off-line
27 June 2014 10:03
anthonyh
Photographer

Location
United Kingdom
Kent


Quote from Plymjack
would stay well clear of any shoot involving under 18s in ANY country



I didn't read the question as being one that generates your answer...the OP asked a purely technical question, not one inviting personal opinions.


G Jack B is off-line
27 June 2014 12:15
Plymjack
Photographer
Plymjack
Location
United Kingdom
Devon
Plymouth

Was not a personal opinion... since the law extends beyond boarders as is now often reported ... so therefore I would suggest that to avoid any issue whatever the country .... I would avoid a lingerie shoot of any 18 year old...

Just regarding the age of consent issue - it ranges from 12 to 21 across the globe... so it is simpler to avoid the minefield all together.
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Clive Hevey is off-line
27 June 2014 14:59
scruff
Photographer

Location
Ireland
Meath


Thanks for all the advise.not going to do the shoot.not worth the hassle.


Will is off-line
28 June 2014 04:32
Photoimager
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Photoimager
Location
United Kingdom
Staffordshire
Stoke-on-Trent

Quote from Plymjackwould stay well clear of any shoot involving under 18s in ANY country



School photographers, Prom photographers, family photographers, parents etc clearly do not adhere to this pearl of wisdom.

OP, what the law says is open to intepretation. It is possible to take a photograph of a fully clothed minor whose posing and expressions mean that the image breaks the law. It is also possible to take nudes that do not break the law. However, the latter are more likely to see you being criminalised than the former because of the buttons it will press.


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