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Kevin W is off-lineSilver Member
02 May 2013 18:21
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cameron-apologises-for-thatcher-apartheid-policies-413569.html

Even Cameron has apologised for Thatcher's apartheid views. I suggest you ignore whatever tripe the Telegraph would have you believe. But hey, what is point of arguing against somebody so blinkered. I only commented because it is just lies to deny that Thatcher supported apartheid. Lies and offensive lies.
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Margaret Thatcher’s vital role in ending apartheid

"My former boss Margaret Thatcher hated the South African apartheid system and became a good friend of Nelson Mandela...

...She famously declared the African National Congress to be a "terrorist" organisation, but she gave these "terrorists" diplomatic protection. In the mid 1980s the South African government blew up the ANC offices in London and tried to kidnap its members in London, including Thabo Mbeki and Oliver Tambo. She was obliged to provide armed bodyguards for their most senior officials....

... In a letter to Botha in October 1985 she wrote: "I continue to believe, as I have said to you before, that the release of Nelson Mandela would have more impact than almost any single action you could undertake."

from the Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/10/margaret-thatcher-apartheid-mandela



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and:

"When [Mandela met Thatcher].... he paid tribute to the role she had played in helping to secure his release, saying that “we have much to thank her for”. On visits to London after Mrs Thatcher had left office, Mandela continued to make a point of seeing her to thank her for the role she had played. She had done more to promote peaceful change in southern Africa than all her predecessors combined."

From the Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/9997714/Margaret-Thatchers-vital-role-in-ending-apartheid.html







That's why I quoted an article in the Guardian - not generally considered to be very right wing.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cameron-apologises-for-thatcher-apartheid-policies-413569.html

Even Cameron has apologised for Thatcher's apartheid views. I suggest you ignore whatever tripe the Telegraph would have you believe. But hey, what is point of arguing against somebody so blinkered. I only commented because it is just lies to deny that Thatcher supported apartheid. Lies and offensive lies.



Thatcher was against Apartheid on economic grounds - because it hindered a free market.

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It would appear that you are gullible enough to swallow the propaganda dished out by the Daily Telegraph. Writers there earn a very good living twisting the truth.

 



When a corrupt and evil regime like that in South Africa at the time controls a country which treats it's majority black population as little better than dogs, who in that population do you suppose by placing harsher trade embargos/sanctions on the country is going to hurt most?

There is only so much that outside sanctions and even politics can do and the people you want removed from running the country will only become more entrenched through isolation which clearly they did.

It's also worth remembering that the black South Africans also lost credibility and support from outside by their violent actions of such as Mandela's wife Winnie and her supporters which have largely been forgotton now, so what more could Thatcher have done at the time?

I enjoy reasoned political debate so I'll look forward to your views on the subject!

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Is this a serious discussion or are you having a laugh? Thatcher an opponent of apartheid?! You are kidding I hope!



http://mg.co.za/article/2013-04-19-00-margaret-thatchers-shameful-support-for-apartheid



No, i just have the ability to accept facts over propeganda and deliberate distorting of the truth for particular agendas






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03 May 2013 06:20
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It's also worth remembering that the black South Africans also lost credibility and support from outside by their violent actions of such as Mandela's wife Winnie and her supporters which have largely been forgotten now, so what more could Thatcher have done at the time?




Much as I have huge respect for Mandela's actions post apartheid and the introduction of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission which achieved a peaceful transfer of power, plus a similarly huge contempt for the way the white majority treated the blacks - Mandela was in fact a terrorist who supported an armed struggle against the government making it difficult for political leaders to wholeheartedly support him at the time.

Some of the current respected Northern Irish politicians fall into the same category..........


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Quote from tonycsm It's also worth remembering that the black South Africans also lost credibility and support from outside by their violent actions of such as Mandela's wife Winnie and her supporters which have largely been forgotten now, so what more could Thatcher have done at the time?

Much as I have huge respect for Mandela's actions post apartheid and the introduction of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission which achieved a peaceful transfer of power, plus a similarly huge contempt for the way the white majority treated the blacks - Mandela was in fact a terrorist who supported an armed struggle against the government making it difficult for political leaders to wholeheartedly support him at the time. Some of the current respected Northern Irish politicians fall into the same category..........




The difference between Mandela and the NI politicians is that they had a political route in which to pursue their goals.  Mandela and black South Africans did not.  An armed struggle was totally justified for them.



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05 May 2013 13:47
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It's easy to look back on the past and be critical. Back in those days, Mugabe was considered liberal and Mandela a terrorist.

We judge Thatcher by what we know today - she didn't have that privilege.
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