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02 February 2012 07:14
Blacklion
Photographer


Is it a good idea to allow boyfriends to chaperone models to a shoot?

For the first time, I have - not asked - but been told by a model she is bringing her boyfriend to a shoot. It's a 'time for' shoot and I'm wondering if this is a good idea? I have had make up artists attend shoots and on one occasion, a model brought her model friend. I would like to shoot this model and I'm very friendly with most, but is this a good idea and what experiences have we all had on this matter?
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Andy_B is off-lineSilver Member
02 February 2012 07:21
Andy_B
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Andy_B
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London
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Well, this has been done to death - so search for chaperone threads.

Sounds like you do most of your shooting from a home studio. Is there room in there for three people or is it going to be uncomfortable? If the boyfriend isn't in the studio with you (or stairs/bathroom etc.) are you happy for him to be roaming 'round your house unwatched, or are you expected to find some entertainment for him?

If he has to come along to drop the model off, it's not unreasonable for him to bugger off and watch football in the local pub while the shoot is progressing. You've got plenty of positive feedback... if the model is worried about you for some reason she can always contact someone you've previously worked with.

I'd tell them both 'no'.


02 February 2012 07:26
Bonno
Model


Oh the chaperones again.

OK, so I personally only took one when I first started out. And on one occasion with a photographer who was quite happy as it was a night shoot and driving 2 hours, so more for the dark driving than the shoot.

On all occasions my chaperone had either dropped me off and gone off, or sat in another room quite happily on their laptop minding their own buissness.

Alot of photographers feel chaperones are a bad idea, I understand after hearing a few reasons myself. However, I do not feel all chaperones should be tarred with the same brush. Same as photographers shouldn't be tarred with the same brush.

I have modelled without a chaperone for ages now, but after recent news about a photographer that turned out to be extremely dodgy, who had contacted me on several occasions... I am now jubious myself. Also after having two bad experiences in the past.

Before you say no, why not ask her to consider a female chaperone or come to some sort of arrangement? Not all chaperones are the same, like not all photographers are the same
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02 February 2012 07:28
Photoflash
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United Kingdom
London
Maida Vale

I have shot many calendars, all over the world, mostly using amateur models, I never objected to chaperones or boyfriends as I had a large and heavy Manfrotto video tripod to carry, so the boyfriend carried it. I shoot on film, 6x12 and larger. Strangely enough on subsequent shoots with the same models the boyfriend was unable to be there!


02 February 2012 07:29
Socialdisaster
Photographer


Never had a decent experience with a chaperone really, don't see why I'm expected to allow it, and yet I'm also expected to "trust" two complete strangers around my stuff when i'm concentrating on one of them. This seems to be what models often overlook.

Go with your gut, but don't ever feel bad about saying no.

And as a final, you have FIFTY ONE good recommendations. That's a hell of a lot. If a model doesn't feel safe with that, perhaps it's something she needs to work out.

PS I don't count the person who brings the model and then leaves as a chaperone.
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02 February 2012 07:30
Pluckphotography
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Essex
Chelmsford

Never had a problem with it myself, but there are plenty of stories of boyfriends 'intervening' when some shot set ups get proposed.
As its a TF shoot, my personal view is you just roll with it and hope for the best.
If youre just shooting fashion, glamour fashion and maybe lingerie it should be fine. I imagine its quite a tough thing for a bloke to deal with, if its his g/f being photographed with no clothes on.

Just tell her its ok, but make it clear what stuff youre shooting and ask her to confirm her bloke will be comfortable with that. After that, when the shoot is under way, get him to help out with reflectors and her hair etc. Even if hes not wanting to kill you, he'll probably get bored!
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02 February 2012 07:34
kjoleweb
Photographer


Depends entirely on the boyfriend, level of modelling taking place at the shoot, and on you as a photographer. I don't allow chaperones on the set. And the reason is that it tends to make the model compromise to not offend or upset the boyfriend. With new models I allow chaperones, but have them wai in aother room where they can't see or hear anything. Some models and chaperones find that strange.

My explanation is this:
During the shoot I communicate a lot, and I compliment, cheer on and flirt withthe model to make her feel comfoprtable and to produce different expressions. Some chaperoning boyfriends find this offensive and think that I'm a dirty old fart hitting on their girlfriends... It often becomes uncomfortable for the model, for the boyfriend chaperone or the photographer. I know this from experience, and I don't even shoot to implied nudes...

I understand the model's point of veiw, wanting to stay safe, but it's probably better to find other ways to stay safe. And this is where the annoying part comes in. None of the models wanting to bring a chaperone ever asked for references. I have lot's of female model references that would vouch for me being safe and serious any day.


I turn down most models that insist on bringing a lifeguard to work.

J.


02 February 2012 07:36
kjoleweb
Photographer


Quote from Photoflash
I have shot many calendars, all over the world, mostly using amateur models, I never objected to chaperones or boyfriends as I had a large and heavy Manfrotto video tripod to carry, so the boyfriend carried it. I shoot on film, 6x12 and larger. Strangely enough on subsequent shoots with the same models the boyfriend was unable to be there!



Chaperone = Sherpa(rone)...


gerryquiff is off-lineSilver Member
02 February 2012 07:37
gerryquiff
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Lanarkshire
Bonnie Scotland

It's not often you get the chance to post before these threads are locked.

There's lots of threads with this discussion. Use the search facility.
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02 February 2012 07:47
TeddyB
Photographer


Quote from gerryquiff
It's not often you get the chance to post before these threads are locked.

There's lots of threads with this discussion. Use the search facility.



Yes, Gerry is correct.

This here thread, Mr. OP, expect it to get locked down, any time soon. The Mods are sick to death with chaperone threads. Try a search first, through the forum search option, there are already dozens of them.

Morning Gerry! Was it 'minus something' outside, up there this morning?

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