Scottish referendum.

Scottish referendum.

143 posts
15 Feb 2014
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You can't really grasp the fact that the more people like Osborne simply dictate and refuse to debate their position the more people they will drive into voting YES. Notwithstanding that as our elected politicians they have a moral duty to put their case in terms that the people can understand so that the people of Scotland can make an informed decision. As they signed up for in the Edinburgh agreement.

As I said before, if they are so confident in their assertions then they should answer the questions that people want to know the answer to.

Posted 20 Feb 2014
Edited by click_gotcha 20 Feb 2014
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tonycsm

The SNP do nothing but Tory-bash.... that is how they operate so I don't see why a bit of Alex bashing shouldn't be allowed! Oh... I forgot, that is bullying!

The Labour MPs of Scotland may not have been needed when Nu Labour had their early landslide but without them now, if Scotland goes independent, Labour will find it hard to get back into power due to reduced numbers so I can't see the Labour Party supporting independence.

I'm certainly not a fan of left wing politics by any stretch of the imagination but the rUK would need a competent and substantial opposition party to keep those on the right, in check - we saw what happened when Nu Labour had such a huge majority... it was bad for the country!


Tory bash is the civic duty of right-thinking intelligent people with moral fibre. I hope to elevate it to an Oylympic sport and then progress to Tory extirpation.Then the world will be a better place. sad 

Posted 21 Feb 2014
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You can't really grasp the fact that the more people like Osborne simply dictate and refuse to debate their position the more people they will drive into voting YES. Notwithstanding that as our elected politicians they have a moral duty to put their case in terms that the people can understand so that the people of Scotland can make an informed decision. As they signed up for in the Edinburgh agreement.

As I said before, if they are so confident in their assertions then they should answer the questions that people want to know the answer to.




Aye

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/feb/20/scottish-independence-currency-union-warning-backfires
Posted 21 Feb 2014
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Tory bash is the civic duty of right-thinking intelligent people with moral fibre. I hope to elevate it to an Oylympic sport and then progress to Tory extirpation.Then the world will be a better place. sad 




..it will be like pig-sticking.... but with swine 
Posted 21 Feb 2014
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You can't really grasp the fact that the more people like Osborne simply dictate and refuse to debate their position the more people they will drive into voting YES. Notwithstanding that as our elected politicians they have a moral duty to put their case in terms that the people can understand so that the people of Scotland can make an informed decision. As they signed up for in the Edinburgh agreement.

As I said before, if they are so confident in their assertions then they should answer the questions that people want to know the answer to.



You and the YES campaign can't seem to grasp that Osborne isn't dictating anything, he's merely reflecting the position and interests of the rUK and the fact that if you want to bugger off and run your own lives and dump the Union then by all means do so, but without the support of the rUK Pound as your currency or the BoE as your lender!

There's plenty of information out there in the public doimain to explain why currency sharing wouldn't be good for the rUK so it's down to the SNP and YES campaign to explain this to the Scottish voters and how they intend to overcome this issue...you simply can't go on blaming the Tories for everything nor can you expect the people and taxpayers of the rUK to be used as doormats and cash-cows of the SNP and the likes.




Posted 21 Feb 2014
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Tory bash is the civic duty of right-thinking intelligent people with moral fibre. I hope to elevate it to an Oylympic sport and then progress to Tory extirpation.Then the world will be a better place. sad 



Ahhhh... the voice of reason in a language only the Plebs of the world would understand!frown

Posted 21 Feb 2014
click_gotcha

You can't really grasp the fact that the more people like Osborne simply dictate and refuse to debate their position the more people they will drive into voting YES. Notwithstanding that as our elected politicians they have a moral duty to put their case in terms that the people can understand so that the people of Scotland can make an informed decision. As they signed up for in the Edinburgh agreement.

As I said before, if they are so confident in their assertions then they should answer the questions that people want to know the answer to.




Nope, all that is happening is that the people who would vote yes or lean in that direction shall vote yes.   Equally it will push people who want to vote no in that direction.

Also it is worrying that Salmond is so arrogant that he thinks that everyone will do as he dictates, even after he has been the architect of  the biggest sociopolitical shock in 70 years (The second world war) ripped their country apart and severely damaged their economy and livelyhood.

That is the scary thing.

That there may be no plan B except to piss everyone off by renaging on the Scot's share of national debt.
Posted 21 Feb 2014
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Nope, all that is happening is that the people who would vote yes or lean in that direction shall vote yes.   Equally it will push people who want to vote no in that direction.

Also it is worrying that Salmond is so arrogant that he thinks that everyone will do as he dictates, even after he has been the architect of  the biggest sociopolitical shock in 70 years (The second world war) ripped their country apart and severely damaged their economy and livelyhood.

That is the scary thing.

That there may be no plan B except to piss everyone off by renaging on the Scot's share of national debt.


If you read the white paper not only is there a plan B, there is a Plan C and  a Plan D as well.  But the SNP still believe in Plan A and that's what they are arguing for.  They haven't ruled anything else out though.

As for the national debt.  If rUK are the successor state then it's their debt, not Scotland's.  You can't renege on someone elses debt.  But the plan has always been to take our share of the debt as a moral, if not legal, obligation.  But we expect to get a share of assets as well, they go hand in hand.

And here we are back to Alex Salmond being a dictator.  I sometimes wonder if people understand the word.  Alex Salmond is the only leader of any party in the UK that has a majority in the parliament he sits in.   That's the opposite of being a dictator.

Posted 21 Feb 2014
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The Deputy Leader of the Scottish Conservatives, Jackson Carlaw has came out in favour of a currency union.

A "Tories for independence" movement could be a game changer. I wonder how Slab will respond to this?

Posted 21 Feb 2014
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The Deputy Leader of the Scottish Conservatives, Jackson Carlaw has came out in favour of a currency union. A "Tories for independence" movement could be a game changer. I wonder how Slab will respond to this?
Wow! presumably that will influence the result approximately as much as this thread.
Posted 21 Feb 2014
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stolenfaces

Wow! presumably that will influence the result approximately as much as this thread.


You don't seem to understand the impact a leading tory going against the leadership can have in Scotland.      This could be a blip or it could be the start of the tories in Scotland seeing an opportunity to distance themselves from the 2.5 thatcherist parties in westminster once and for all and reclaim their historic place in scottish politics.

Posted 21 Feb 2014
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You don't seem to understand the impact a leading tory going against the leadership can have in Scotland.      This could be a blip or it could be the start of the tories in Scotland seeing an opportunity to distance themselves from the 2.5 thatcherist parties in westminster once and for all and reclaim their historic place in scottish politics.




The one good thing is that at least there would be an opposition that is right leaning for a change, to add a bit of balance to Scottish politics - it won't affect the Tories of Westminster either way but it will have a serious effect on Labour and the left in Westminster if Scotland votes YES.
Posted 21 Feb 2014
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tonycsm

The one good thing is that at least there would be an opposition that is right leaning for a change, to add a bit of balance to Scottish politics - it won't affect the Tories of Westminster either way but it will have a serious effect on Labour and the left in Westminster if Scotland votes YES.


Agreed, it would be welcome.

Posted 21 Feb 2014
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You don't seem to understand the impact a leading tory going against the leadership can have in Scotland.      This could be a blip or it could be the start of the tories in Scotland seeing an opportunity to distance themselves from the 2.5 thatcherist parties in westminster once and for all and reclaim their historic place in scottish politics.
Very funny .... and pigs might fly. Did you not notice that SNP got elected not because voters craved independence but because they wanted someone with policies to the left of the Labour party....
Posted 21 Feb 2014
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tonycsm
The one good thing is that at least there would be an opposition that is right leaning for a change, to add a bit of balance to Scottish politics - it won't affect the Tories of Westminster either way but it will have a serious effect on Labour and the left in Westminster if Scotland votes YES.
If it won't affect the Tories at Westminster why are they so keen to keep the union. (I'm assuming that Cameron and Osbourne are just inept in their interventions rather than Machiavellian )
Posted 21 Feb 2014
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