Baroness Thatcher (retitled)

Baroness Thatcher (retitled)

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8 April 2013
Sdeve
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Oi! Don't forget us Anarchists. Dave
I love anarchists. Smack one in the mouth and the first thing they do is report you to the police.
Posted 9 April 2013
jivago
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anthonyh

..maybe they can explain banking....utilities....the rail services...I could go o. I say that because all parties now subscribe to some version of consumerism that clearly isn't viable in a global market on a globe with rapidly diminishing finite resources. Before anyone jumps in..I have never voted Labour as I see all the current political parties as contributing to the decline of the UK, and the ever increasing gap between the 'haves' and the rest. I did vote for Heath....I thought he was a decent person. I didn't like his party however...still don't...worst of a very bad bunch in my opinion.


Not sure that I agree completely. Is it in fact more 'Corporatism' than 'consumerism'? -  Big corporations priortise the shareholders interests over the consumer - And buy political favours along the way. There is a phrase in the USA:- They have 'the best democracy that money can buy'

Posted 9 April 2013
carshaltonkev
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What was it Churchill said about making enemies? Something to do with actually achieving something wasn't it? John Smith died well before he had time to prove himself (and **** up a few times on the way)


Some people know how to make enemies without achieving anything!

I have to admit that Margaret Thatcher achieved a lot and had an enormous impact. I just do not think that much of it (or any of it) helped more than the wealthiest 5% in our society. She left the UK a much nastier and far more divided country... And sadly it has not changed much since.

Posted 9 April 2013
RedChecker
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carshaltonkev

She left the UK a much nastier and far more divided country...


And the socialist years prior to her arrival were so rosy with endless trade union action and general discontent at the system as a whole.  I think far too many people have short memories and forget what it was like before she took on the likes of puppet masters like Scargill, and they forget how nasty these people were.
Posted 10 April 2013
stevephot
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And the socialist years prior to her arrival were so rosy with endless trade union action and general discontent at the system as a whole.  I think far too many people have short memories and forget what it was like before she took on the likes of puppet masters like Scargill, and they forget how nasty these people were.


Yes let not forget about those nasty unions fighting for a decent living wage and improving the lives of the working class.

When I see pathetic comments from this fella, I think my god he beleives all of the right wing propaganda from a nation with a right wing press.

(this is tthe guy who is so right wing that he laughed when the bulldozed a  shanty town when peole were stil lin their homes)

Funny how hs type seem to think the prosperity for a small amount was worth the destruction of the unions



Posted 10 April 2013
RedChecker
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stevephot



(this is tthe guy who is so right wing that he laughed when the bulldozed a  shanty town when peole were stil lin their homes)



Have you still not found proof of me saying that yet?
Posted 10 April 2013
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stevephot

Yes let not forget about those nasty unions fighting for a decent living wage and improving the lives of the working class.




The bills that Parliament passed during the Thatcher years had nothing to do with stopping people earning a decent living or stopping the improvement of the lives of the working class. The bills were passed to to do the following 1) abolish the closed shop  2) introduce compulsory elections for union officials and introduce the secret ballot which removed the old 'hands up' style of meetings where if you didn't put your hand up you were called scab and intimidated  3) banning secondary picketting   4) remove the system of illegal immunity which had meant that unions were not liable for any damage caused to property by their membes during strikes.

Now given that we live in a democracy I would have thought that the passing of 1, 2 and 3 were a given - in fact many union members supported these changes and the 4th point should really be common sense. 

It's worth noting, for anybody interested, that in the six months prior to the General Election the Labour party saw a 25% swing against it in the polls caused primarily because the public were fed up with Unions dicatating the economic policy of the country - even Jim Callaghan complained in February 1979 that there was little he could do.

Posted 10 April 2013
Edited by DorsetHammer 10 April 2013
anthonyh
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My neighbor hates Thatcher with with an intensity and purity that is almost biblical...he talks about her as if she was still in office and there has been no-one in between.

I think his problem is he was the typical working class Tory...did all the things required of him....worked hard and long hours, saved and invested in a pension scheme, became a property owner....then had it all systematically taken away first by the Cons themselves then the institutions they set up.

He thought he was 'one of them'...but in reality he was merely fodder for the voting booth in their eyes....not even able to join the golf club! He now realizes that his was and still is a separate world to the Tory elite and people like him are on the outside of the charmed circle... to be systematically milked.

Ironically, his father was chairman of the local Conservative Association and knew Thatcher.

Posted 10 April 2013
Sacredo
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Of all the things she may or may have not done, she certainly didn't unite the country ... her name always seems to bring extreme views from her own people ...

Posted 10 April 2013
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stevephot

Yes let not forget about those nasty unions fighting for a decent living wage and improving the lives of the working class.

 






Hmmm, please explain more about why millionaire union leader Bob Crow should get a pay rise whilst all the members he represent get theirs frozen?
You live in a cloud if you think the majority of Britain care about the Unions, they are the real reason that Britain was a shit hole in the late 70s/early 80s.

Posted 10 April 2013
RedChecker
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tomhl

Hmmm, please explain more about why millionaire union leader Bob Crow should get a pay rise whilst all the members he represent get theirs frozen?




He has to be able to afford lunch, or then again.... don't the union members pay for that with their fees?

Posted 10 April 2013
Edited by RedChecker 10 April 2013
Crippen
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Sdeve

I love anarchists. Smack one in the mouth and the first thing they do is report you to the police.


That's probably because most us are actually undercover police officers, agent provocateurs or fifth columnist.


Dave

Posted 10 April 2013
Edited by Crippen 10 April 2013
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Good Riddance Maggie !!

Posted 10 April 2013
stolenfaces
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I guess the service at St Paul's won't be including Ghost Town or Shipbuilding which are the songs that sum up what Thatcher stood for.

They will also be absent from the media coverage of this largely state-funded festival of right-wing propaganda.



Posted 10 April 2013
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Hmmm, please explain more about why millionaire union leader Bob Crow should get a pay rise whilst all the members he represent get theirs frozen? You live in a cloud if you think the majority of Britain care about the Unions, they are the real reason that Britain was a shit hole in the late 70s/early 80s.
In the 70's people generally had jobs (remember 'Labour isn't working' advert at 1979 election - that was because people were outraged at there being ONE million people unemployed) by 1990 there were FOUR million unemployed (many of them were put on to disability benefit to massage the figures). That was Thatcher's 'sucess'. Bob Crowe's pay is obviously relevant to your puerile and simplistic attitude to unions. Why do multinationals make British workers redundant before those in German and French plants - because they have Unions and Labour laws in those countries.
Posted 10 April 2013
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