scottish referendum

scottish referendum

257 posts
14 Sep 2014
Alan_Jay
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right, since i started the thread it's time with hours to go to state my thinking
I was until two weeks ago a definate No vote, but having listened to the shite from the mouths of tory millionaires who's ass is now on the line, i am like Ian said, about to give them the big finger  and deliver my yes vote.

I figure if it is a no vote then we will pay the price rather than get all the non existant promises being spouted about just  now, basically "right we got you know take this you arseholes", so if i'm going to be getting ****ed over in the coming years id rather it be by my own countrymen and not a bunch of Westminster mobsters.

as mentioned, if it is a yes vote its thanks to the stupid threesome 

The realy sad thing is that I suspect many Scots will vote yes based on as weak a reason as this.  Deciding how to vote in something this important, based on emotion or as a way of giving Tory millionaires 'the big finger',  is at best crazy.
Quite a lot of what I have heard from the Yes supporters seems to be about 'showing the Tories',  rather than about what is best for Scotland and the Scottish people.
Should the Yes vote prevail,  I wonder just how long it will be until those who are now giving the finger to Tory millionaires are complaining about how Mr. Salmond has made a fortune,  yet the ordinary man in the street is worse off.
Politicians are politicians!
Posted 18 Sep 2014
tonycsm
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right, since i started the thread it's time with hours to go to state my thinking
I was until two weeks ago a definate No vote, but having listened to the shite from the mouths of tory millionaires who's ass is now on the line, i am like Ian said, about to give them the big finger  and deliver my yes vote.

I figure if it is a no vote then we will pay the price rather than get all the non existant promises being spouted about just  now, basically "right we got you know take this you arseholes", so if i'm going to be getting ****ed over in the coming years id rather it be by my own countrymen and not a bunch of Westminster mobsters.

as mentioned, if it is a yes vote its thanks to the stupid threesome 


Classic, class ridden, socialistic tripe - that's my thinking if that's your reasoning behind voting yes! 

We in the rest of the UK were f***ed over by many of your fellow countrymen/politicians and now paying the price... however, they were in a party called New Labour, remember them?

Posted 18 Sep 2014
RedChecker
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tonycsm

We in the rest of the UK were f***ed over by many of your fellow countrymen/politicians and now paying the price... however, they were in a party called New Labour, remember them?


I tend to find that socialists have selective memory.  Just like the Scots forget how Margaret Thatcher arguably did more for them than any other prime minister in enabling many thousands of Scottish families the right and ability to buy their own home (for their sake I'll take this oportunity to remind them she was a tory cheeky).

No doubt in years to come if it all goes tits up they'll blame the tories & English for their sorry state and conveniently forget how a certain Alex Salmond sold them a pipe dream that they took without question.
Posted 18 Sep 2014
Edited by RedChecker 18 Sep 2014
mph
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No doubt in years to come if it all goes tits up they'll blame the tories & English for their sorry state and conveniently forget how a certain Alex Salmond sold them a pipe dream that they took without question.


+100

If they are going to have a "fairer society that will involve a combination of:
  • More taxes on "ordinary people
  • "Fleecing" the rich.
  • More borrowing

And if you think fleecing the rich works - good luck - especially if they move their home a few miles South of the border!
Posted 18 Sep 2014
click_gotcha
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There's gonny be a lot of prams wae nae toys in them this time tomorrow.

Posted 18 Sep 2014
anthonyh
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right, since i started the thread it's time with hours to go to state my thinking
I was until two weeks ago a definate No vote, but having listened to the shite from the mouths of tory millionaires who's ass is now on the line, i am like Ian said, about to give them the big finger  and deliver my yes vote.

I figure if it is a no vote then we will pay the price rather than get all the non existant promises being spouted about just  now, basically "right we got you know take this you arseholes", so if i'm going to be getting ****ed over in the coming years id rather it be by my own countrymen and not a bunch of Westminster mobsters.

as mentioned, if it is a yes vote its thanks to the stupid threesome 


A significant percentage of the 'Westminster Mobsters' have been Scottish. And it is unlikely that Scottish inderpendence puts any Tory millionairs 'ass on the line' if you mean losing their current political post. They just move on to something even better paid.....

Go inderpendent.....lets see if SNP politicians are better than the rest once they taste what they think is real power. Except it won't be of course. The banks, big industrialists, financial markets and the EU etc etc etc will still be calling the shots.....Scotland will just be easier to push around being such a small country.
Posted 18 Sep 2014
RedChecker
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mph

And if you think fleecing the rich works - good luck - especially if they move their home a few miles South of the border!


Indeed!

As much as it galls me when I work on multi £million residential projects for sheiks & oligarchs in London for my job, I understand the need to keep them sweet to retain their money in this country.
Posted 18 Sep 2014
JTD
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I wonder if, after the event, any of the many Scots born and bred in the home country but currently living elsewhere in the UK, would attempt to launch a legal challenge to get the result overturned on the grounds that they were not permitted to vote ?

Posted 18 Sep 2014
IainT
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There's gonny be a lot of prams wae nae toys in them this time tomorrow.
Posted 18 Sep 2014
anthonyh
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JTD

I wonder if, after the event, any of the many Scots born and bred in the home country but currently living elsewhere in the UK, would attempt to launch a legal challenge to get the result overturned on the grounds that they were not permitted to vote ?


Alternative possibility...is there going to be something of a migration over the border befor formal inderpendence? If we are to believe the SNP that Scotland will be the land of milk and honey and no poverty, one would expect poor British citizens to move there fast before the drawbridge is pulled up...at the moment we British are legally entitled to call anywhere in the UK 'home'.

If the richer Scots see themselves as having to pay heavily for this new utopia.....presumably they would want to move south fairly soon.
Posted 18 Sep 2014
Edited by anthonyh 18 Sep 2014
IainT
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I hated the idea of Scotland leaving the UK but listening to the vitriol against the rest of the UK by the Yes campaign I am coming to the conclusion the best thing for all concerned is a Yes vote. Let Scotland have the govt it deserves.
With the greatest restpect I really don't know what you have been watching, my impression of the Yes campaign is that it has been in the main considered, civil and well mannered, Salmond himself has been a model of diplomacy. On the other hand the No campaign, this side of the border anyway has been a disgrace and has mainly been about lies, insults, scaremongering and a total lack of understanding on Scotland and respect for the Scottish people. Prior to the campaign, if I had a vote (which I do not) I would have voted No without even thinking about it, I wouldn't even have thought about Yes. But living in England and seeing the rubbish in the Press and on internet forums, I think I would seriously want a Yes vote. As I said earlier, all the No campaign had to do was keep quiet and there would have been an easy no vote. But they have annoyed people so much that their is a serious danger of Yes and its not just undecided deciding to vote Yes, its people actually changing their mind from No to Yes purely because of the No campaign.
Posted 18 Sep 2014
anthonyh
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anthonyh
It doesn't really matter now...it is all over bar the counting in one respect. But I am of the opinion the SNP have seriously damaged the UK whatever the outcome...and I am personally now hoping for a Yes vote as I suspect the UK minus Scotland will flourish...with Scotland, there will be ongoing dissent as the SNP have stirred up too many primitive nationalist feelings that won't suddenly dissipate. Although Westminster will want to use our taxes to placate the Scots.

But as I said above...for a period of time UK citizens can decide which place offers the prospects of personal prosperity...Scotland or the UK (and for now now....the EU as well)...and can relocate accordingly. Come independence day (should that be the outcome of the vote) that choice will go.

Posted 18 Sep 2014
mph
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mph
Interesting figures from the last general election (2010) SNP 491386 votes Tories 412855 votes Makes you wonder how many votes the Tories would have got if all the expat Scots who were sensible enough to move South had been able to vote in Scotland.
Posted 18 Sep 2014
marlhamphoto
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IainT

With the greatest restpect I really don't know what you have been watching, my impression of the Yes campaign is that it has been in the main considered, civil and well mannered, Salmond himself has been a model of diplomacy. On the other hand the No campaign, this side of the border anyway has been a disgrace and has mainly been about lies, insults, scaremongering and a total lack of understanding on Scotland and respect for the Scottish people. Prior to the campaign, if I had a vote (which I do not) I would have voted No without even thinking about it, I wouldn't even have thought about Yes. But living in England and seeing the rubbish in the Press and on internet forums, I think I would seriously want a Yes vote. As I said earlier, all the No campaign had to do was keep quiet and there would have been an easy no vote. But they have annoyed people so much that their is a serious danger of Yes and its not just undecided deciding to vote Yes, its people actually changing their mind from No to Yes purely because of the No campaign.


Well most half-intelligent people are well able to temper and moderate whatever they read in the press or online and sift the wheat from the chaff. The scaremongering you're referring to is genuine though - born out of a sudden realisation that the Scots might not actually posess half a brain between them and the politicians are at a loss as to how to deal with that. Yours and other posts in this thread confirm a widespread case of stubborn stupidity which will undoubtedly lead to an unfortunate outcome for everyone.
Posted 18 Sep 2014
Edited by marlhamphoto 18 Sep 2014
click_gotcha
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mph

Interesting figures from the last general election (2010) SNP 491386 votes Tories 412855 votes Makes you wonder how many votes the Tories would have got if all the expat Scots who were sensible enough to move South had been able to vote in Scotland.


Scotland traditionally votes Labour at a Westminster General Election in an attempt to keep the tories out.  It rarely works though. 

Posted 18 Sep 2014
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