Do you honestly think that if a guy says to, or about, a woman "I wouldn't mind smashing her back doors in" that it would be taken as a compliment by any women hearing it? Let alone the woman about whom it's said?
If that's the crux of your argument then I think you're going to flounder. Unless it's me that's completely out of touch.
I don't think it is a matter of anyone being out of touch, it is just laddish talk that a sensible bloke wotuldn't say to a woman, unless he knew she would take it as intended.
I have talked to lots of people over the last year about it and used that very saying as an example, most of whom are models actually and without exception, they have said it is the sort of talk they hear all the time and they don't take it seriously at all. It isn't a saying I use myself though.
Interesting that RC defends PS and supports it, after a look a few minutes ago, I see he hasn't uploaded a pic in 2014, so far.
I don't understand this PP's got a better more modern user interface thing. Okay I'm not a spring chicken so don't get it all but some features of their interface do my head in.
But that's the point isn't it - what you might regard as acceptable within a small group of people whom you know very well isn't acceptable on a modelling forum. Maybe you thought you knew the people on the forum better than you actually did?
Do you have a daughter? Or sisters?
I don't doubt women hear that and similar an awful lot. Just because it happens a lot though doesn't make it acceptable or tolerable IMO.
PP interface doesn't bother me, I think its kind of neat but then I usually just access these sites from the computer so its fairly easy to navigate on most of them. *yawn* Matts dribble - meh.. I won't go over old history, its time we all moved on - deep down somewhere inside he knows his "joke" was repulsive.
This thread really does remind me of the good old N-M and PS days......might be hope for the place yet
I am not really that concerned with what is acceptable to you on or off a modelling site....
... but it was taken completely on its own and coopied to FB and in emails where readers could only see the "joke" and not the rest of my post.
I understand that my curiosity is making you feel uncomfortable and appreciate you taking the time to respond.
I don't know you nor am I overly acquainted with your forum activity. But I've detected in your responses to me that you feel as if there's a group of people who are or were determined to get you ejected from PP for no other reason than they didn't like you. Now to me that sounds irrational and childish - I don't think that's likely at all. On the whole people are tolerant towards others even if they don't agree with them or like them - that's been my experience anyway. So your argument that people made an issue of the joke to get you banned solely because they didn't like you doesn't seem plausible to me. So what is it that drives you to the conclusion that there was some sort of conspiracy against you?
Quite simple, I had pissed a few of them off....
So all this FB activity you refer to - did that occur before or after the 'joke' incident?
The reason I ask is that based on what you've said so far the kind of activity you refer to would be a natural outcome - surely that's obvious to anybody? People would have been understandably enraged by what you posted and to some extent the site's tolerance of it. At best what you posted was a gross error of judgement on your part and was bound to inflame people's feelings toward you - do you not agree?
Or are you saying this activity occurred before you posted the 'joke'?