Neither was my comment which you commented on.swalsh58I don't think that comment was meant as an invite......
If you get all the wannabe models and photographers joining up then inevitably you'll get all the same old elementary discussions and arguments regurgitated time and time again - ad nauseum. I think PS has matured and is fundamentally a different site to what it used to be. I also think the changes it's undergone have been mostly deliberate. The site's policy with regard to new model and photographer signups alone will have had a significant impact on the make up of the site's members and hence the nature of discussions on the forums. It feels to me as if the site has simply matured more than anything. I suspect the migration of some members to PP has in many respects assisted PS move in the direction it intended all along - just more rapidly than it might otherwise have done. Personally I think a mature site with sound policies learned over many years is a welcome oasis.
In many ways I think it's similar to the photography magazines you used to buy when you were learning - all the basics are covered from issue to issue. But after several months you start to notice that the themes are starting to repeat and you get frustrated and stop buying. Clearly that magazine knows it's target market is the continuous stream of new learners so that's what it focusses on and nothing more. It's usefulness is limited and you soon get bored with it and move on to something more compelling. To my mind that's where PP forums are now and where PS forums used to be in the past - mired in the basics and the petty rivalries.
Maybe it's a symptom of my increasing age but give me a mature site any day - I certainly don't have the energy or enthusiasm for the type of discussions I used to get involved in and which are what I suspect are the majority of those to be found on the PP forums.
I've just discovered a brand new site.... Looks fantastic and seems to work really well. It's only just been launched so not many people on it yet but well worth a look... Hope I don't get in to trouble for this but its modelmaxim.com This site has its good points and so does purple but it will be interesting to see how big this new one gets...
"Stop Paying For your Professional Profile" personal I would pay to be a member of a site that only had professionals on it, and do away with forum post such as "I'm Leaving" or "I've just slip up with my Boyfriend". It would be nice to know that everyone on the site is looking or offering paid work and has reached an acceptable level in their photography / modelling before they are accepted on the site, where your messages in you inbox would be about paid work but delicate reliable colleagues, who wanted to work and not want attention, and not message like "Luv Yr work x" or " we must shoot, hun xx" and off course "interested" if you where really interested you would write so much more. A site where if you didn't turn up or was accused of inappropriate behavior on a shoot or on-line, then you are suspended pending on an investigation of both parties and if need be banned. Such a site would eventually do away with agencies and bring more proefssional back on-line to offer and produce work, that would be fantastic.
It does tickle me with the whole stats thing on PP when you get some of the most popular members on there regularly posting on FB with false modesty that they're surprised how popular an image is, and that they'd never expected to get such attention. It's utterly nauseating not only how they behave by constantly fishing for complements/arse kissing but how much everyone sucks up to them. PP is an ideal site for people with this sort of ego as the whole setup of 'loving' image,sharing,stats & recommendations on there is geared up for precisely this sort of thing, which also sadly means it's not a level playing field and IMO works to a disadvantage for those not willing to play this stats-boosting game.
I know I've not always been the most pleasant person on the forums but a couple of years ago I thought to myself "do I gain anything by being a dickhead? am I actually a dickhead..." the answer was no. I know sometimes people rub each other up the wrong way but we are all here for the same thing - to learn/grow and meet other people who has the same interests as we do.
This comes up often enough, so once more won't matter. The reason the rape "joke" was made, which is never mentioned, was there was a thread about lads' mags encouraging rape that went a bit off topic and I posted it to make the point that words are not always real, not literal all of the time; it was also accompanied, again, never mentioned and not included in the copied posts to Facebook, by a comment saying that rape was vile.
So, let me get this right. You made a vile rape joke on a modelling site forum and accompanied it with a comment that rape is vile. By doing so you think the joke is is less vile or even acceptable?
One example I recall was if a guy said "cor, she's nice, I wouldn't mind smashing her back doors in"; which does not mean he literally wants to damage the person he is talking about, it is just an example of how people use fairly blunt statements to say something whcih might, as with this example, be a compliment, but a group of people decided that it is meant literally and that anyone saying that must want to assault and casue real damage to the person.