Chaperones ( Yes, it's that time again!)

Chaperones ( Yes, it's that time again!)

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6 June 2012
russtyruss
Photographer
russtyruss
Gerry99111
Its seriously arrogant of you to dictate terms of how two adults should arrange to do a shoot together and none of your business.
I'm not trying to dictate to anyone and agreed, it is none of my business what you do. you're misunderstanding what i'm getting at. i'm saying i think it's arrogant of some photographers to believe that if a model would like an escort to be present at a first shoot then, somehow, the model must be S*@t and not worth bothering with. 99.9% of photographers on here are decent guys i reckon, but there's still that 0.1% that are pervs/gwc's. there are plenty of models that dont like chaperones and plenty that do. why automatically judge the ones that do? that's all i'm saying.
Posted 26 June 2012
1919_Images
Photographer
1919_Images
russtyruss
I'm not trying to dictate to anyone and agreed, it is none of my business what you do. you're misunderstanding what i'm getting at. i'm saying i think it's arrogant of some photographers to believe that if a model would like an escort to be present at a first shoot then, somehow, the model must be S*@t and not worth bothering with. 99.9% of photographers on here are decent guys i reckon, but there's still that 0.1% that are pervs/gwc's. there are plenty of models that dont like chaperones and plenty that do. why automatically judge the ones that do? that's all i'm saying.
I've never seen any photographer claim that models who want chaperones are shit, their reason for not wanting to work with a chaperone present is normally down to a previous bad experience with a chaperone or just a wish to work one on one with a model which is their right, for you to claim they must be pervs because of this is out of order. Thats why people are taking offence. I should add that Purestorm mods often comment that a lot of problems they encounter here are from professional models offering extras to unsuspecting photographers rather than the other way round.
Posted 26 June 2012
Edited by 1919_Images 26 June 2012
russtyruss
Photographer
russtyruss
1919_Images
I've never seen any photographer claim that models who want chaperones are shit
trust me, theres plenty of assumptions like that in the other threads about this. that's why i chimed in in the first place. i'll guess we'll have to agree to disagree but, i'll leave you with this. if a photographer was to go to a established model agency (img, A1, select etc...) and ask to shoot one of their 'new faces' for a test or whatever, but say that it's his 'right' to be one on one with her... he'll be escorted/laughed out of the building. fact. regards russ.
Posted 27 June 2012
Alister
Photographer
Alister
russtyruss
I'm not trying to dictate to anyone and agreed, it is none of my business what you do. you're misunderstanding what i'm getting at. i'm saying i think it's arrogant of some photographers to believe that if a model would like an escort to be present at a first shoot then, somehow, the model must be S*@t and not worth bothering with. 99.9% of photographers on here are decent guys i reckon, but there's still that 0.1% that are pervs/gwc's. there are plenty of models that dont like chaperones and plenty that do. why automatically judge the ones that do? that's all i'm saying.
Why are you automatically judging photographers that don't allow chaperones? Very, very few working models on here like a chaperone. As you keep referring to what professionals do, as in a professional on a proper shoot rather than selling crappy 'modelling portfolios' to those that don't know any better, how many professionals would allow the models boyfriend to hang around on set during a shoot? Or maybe in another room stealing things (and it has been known)? Can't think many would and would pack the model straight back to the agency. Under 18s are a different matter but they're not on this site.
Posted 27 June 2012
RedChecker
Photographer
RedChecker
mph

There is a hell of a difference between professional assistants - and mothers, boy friends, mates etc!


+1

Having had an incident of sorts myself at the weekend there's no way in hell I'm ever going to work with a chaperone present again.
Posted 27 June 2012
Socialdisaster
Photographer
Socialdisaster
The one chaperone experience I had was a partner who spent the entire shoot telling me and the model that she was nervous (which made her more nervous) and telling me my floor, while nice, wasn't top of the line.

I mean, wtf?

Posted 27 June 2012
russtyruss
Photographer
russtyruss
Alister
As you keep referring to what professionals do, as in a professional on a proper shoot rather than selling crappy 'modelling portfolios' to those that don't know any better, how many professionals would allow the models boyfriend to hang around on set during a shoot? Or maybe in another room stealing things (and it has been known)? Can't think many would and would pack the model straight back to the agency. Under 18s are a different matter but they're not on this site.
one, i didn't say crappy, i never even inferred that, most of the profiles i've looked at the photograpy is top notch, and two, OHMYGOD, THAT'S MY POINT!! a professional model on a proper shoot would have no need to bring a chaperone with her because there will be other people-mua's stylists, assistants etc, present! the reason models bring chaperones in the first place is because they feel, rightly or wrongly, that they will be safer with a guy they just met from the internet. AND, you'd be surprised how many models on proper shoots bring their friends to hang out with in between sets, because, with a lot of 'celebrity' models,(daisy lowe and the type), they're booked for shoots with multiple photographers for different publications. and that too is a fact.
Posted 27 June 2012
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