All I hear about PS is negative........

All I hear about PS is negative........

208 posts
26 July 2014
thestarglider
Photographer
thestarglider
Firstly I like Purestorm. It's a nice site.

However it is really quite obvious that the site is dwindling badly. Anyone who argues against that surely has to have their head buried in the sand to see that the sheer traffic is essentially collapsed in the past year.

The site needs to start doing something now, if it's not too late, to get noticed again, to get more people wanting to have their portfolio hosted here.

Posted 30 July 2014
GSC4X
Photographer
GSC4X
davajones

Can anyone point me to the 'wall of shame' that has been mentioned on here. Also does it only list people who have been banned from this site, or does it include people who have been banned on other sites, and have then registered and been approved by this site.


Just on this site.....have a look on recent forum threads



Posted 30 July 2014
Edited by GSC4X 30 July 2014
arkady001
Photographer
arkady001
marlhamphoto

I've heard several people say that the site is all smoke and mirrors.

To my mind the fact that so many people who are active there come to this forum imploring PS to mirror that site's functionality says it all really. Clearly there's something going on there which they're not comfortable with. Rolling out the statement that 'competition is healthy' just doesn't cut it.


Exactly that. The blatant clique-tastic ethos of the other place is impossible to ignore - and when you comment adversely on it, you get banned...

Posted 31 July 2014
RedChecker
Photographer
RedChecker
arkady001

Exactly that. The blatant clique-tastic ethos of the other place is impossible to ignore - and when you comment adversely on it, you get banned...



They're so up their own arseholes that they've even made it a site rule not to critisize.  Wankers.

Even in forums on there if you rub their fur the wrong way, or a member of the inner circle you get the site's owner sending you a private email (to your actual email account) suggesting you're perhaps not cutout for that site and that perhaps you should look elsewhere.  Unbelievable.
Posted 31 July 2014
marlhamphoto
Photographer
marlhamphoto
I get fed up hearing people moan about PP and in particular about its admin - not just here but models and photographers you meet and work with. Disfunctional links clogging up FB timelines etc etc. But with the exception of pornographers who rely on a steady stream of new faces (and need a site to bolster their credibility) and those whose social lives don't extend beyond internet forums you don't really need modelling sites - whether it be PS, PP or elsewhere. Everything is increasingly FB/Twitter centric - and even though I'm an old fuddy-duddy when it comes to social media it serves me well.

Anybody with any sense would have read the signs in the early days of PP and known what it would become. Personalities seldom change and there are plenty of people who put their weight behind PP early on only to be dismissed and discarded when they were no longer needed.

When I took up model photography the first site I encountered was Net Model. It didn't take me long to realise that I didn't particularly like the 'in your face' laddish nature of the forums there (each to their own obviously) and I was glad to find an alternative in the shape of PS. It seems to me that those people who were once the tacky forum warriors on NM have migrated to PP and the dominant atmosphere on PP forums is now much the same as it used to be on NM. Frankly there are sites with a better class of people with whom to rub shoulders in the forums - although to be fair it's probably only a small percentage of people who are responsible for tainting the site.

But in all honesty I think people should just move on. Certain things are unlikely to change - including the function and objectives of PS. It's no good moaning about it - especially if you're one of the people who deserted PS and are therefore directly responsible for the 'decline' as many describe it. I suspect your particular views are unlikely to count for very much here.
Posted 31 July 2014
Edited by marlhamphoto 31 July 2014
GSC4X
Photographer
GSC4X
There was a time when I could put out castings on PS, PP, MM and NM and get a reasonable response from all.  Alas, 3 of these sites no longer gererate ANY response for TFP, paid work or anything else for that matter.  Even MCM has a higher turn-over of submitted images (albeit the quality is generally a lot lower).

I did mention the wall of shame. A young lady? on it obviously had her frusration trying to join and tried way too often......but in the interim she has 93 positive recommendations on a rival site.  Surely we need active working models like this to keep the turn-over and generate the interest, and in return, business?
Administrator Input
If any user ignores formal notification that any further attempts to rejoin will result
in them being added to the 'Wall of Shame' and they then create yet another profile
we do not think they are the type of member this website needs.
Every person on the Wall has several prior Suspensions / Rejections in force
and every one has been given Fair Warning before being added as a last resort.


 



Posted 31 July 2014
Edited by ForumModerator 1 Aug 2014
arkady001
Photographer
arkady001
marlhamphoto

I get fed up hearing people moan about PP and in particular about its admin - not just here but models and photographers you meet and work with. Disfunctional links clogging up FB timelines etc etc. But with the exception of pornographers who rely on a steady stream of new faces (and need a site to bolster their credibility) and those whose social lives don't extend beyond internet forums you don't really need modelling sites - whether it be PS, PP or elsewhere. Everything is increasingly FB/Twitter centric - and even though I'm an old fuddy-duddy when it comes to social media it serves me well.

Anybody with any sense would have read the signs in the early days of PP and known what it would become. Personalities seldom change and there are plenty of people who put their weight behind PP early on only to be dismissed and discarded when they were no longer needed.

When I took up model photography the first site I encountered was Net Model. It didn't take me long to realise that I didn't particularly like the 'in your face' laddish nature of the forums there (each to their own obviously) and I was glad to find an alternative in the shape of PS. It seems to me that those people who were once the tacky forum warriors on NM have migrated to PP and the dominant atmosphere on PP forums is now much the same as it used to be on NM. Frankly there are sites with a better class of people with whom to rub shoulders in the forums - although to be fair it's probably only a small percentage of people who are responsible for tainting the site.

But in all honesty I think people should just move on. Certain things are unlikely to change - including the function and objectives of PS. It's no good moaning about it - especially if you're one of the people who deserted PS and are therefore directly responsible for the 'decline' as many describe it. I suspect your particular views are unlikely to count for very much here.


The function and objectives? To provide a product/service that people are happy to pay for and to make money for the site owner.
Same as any other site.
Right now that objective is failing. Simple as that. And if people have deserted the site, then they're by definition not the ones moaning about it as they're not here... derrr...
Posted 1 Aug 2014
marlhamphoto
Photographer
marlhamphoto
arkady001

The function and objectives? To provide a product/service that people are happy to pay for and to make money for the site owner.
Same as any other site.

What makes you thing that? I doubt it's the objective myself - secondary perhaps. But I don't know.

arkady001

Right now that objective is failing. Simple as that. And if people have deserted the site, then they're by definition not the ones moaning about it as they're not here... derrr...

Plenty of them in this and other threads which seem to get created on a regular basis. What I don't get is why those people have taken all their activity elsewhere, sing that site's praises and then come here to implore PS to mirror its functionality on the back of some vague suggestion that if PS did that everyone would flock back. On the face of it that's just ridiculous. Unless there's more to it than meets the eye.
Posted 1 Aug 2014
arkady001
Photographer
arkady001
Nobody sets up a website out of purely altruistic motives... they do it to make money.

Posted 1 Aug 2014
marlhamphoto
Photographer
marlhamphoto
arkady001

Nobody sets up a website out of purely altruistic motives... they do it to make money.

The website already exists. The issue is whether further development will achieve anything.

Investment whilst activity persists is one thing. Investment in the [perhaps vain] hope that activity will grow in the future is another thing altogether.

People have already chosen to kick the place in the teeth once so I can understand a lack of appetite to bow to peoples' cries.
Posted 1 Aug 2014
Edited by marlhamphoto 1 Aug 2014
stolenfaces
Photographer
stolenfaces
arkady001
Nobody sets up a website out of purely altruistic motives... they do it to make money.
As a stand-alone statement this is clearly untrue. For example, my personal website is not set-up to make money and never has been.
Posted 1 Aug 2014
arkady001
Photographer
arkady001
marlhamphoto

The website already exists. The issue is whether further development will achieve anything.

Investment whilst activity persists is one thing. Investment in the [perhaps vain] hope that activity will grow in the future is another thing altogether.

People have already chosen to kick the place in the teeth once so I can understand a lack of appetite to bow to peoples' cries.



Which is what people have been questioning. Is the site being allowed to wither and die or does the owner seek to reinvigorate through implementation of features that more than a few members have asked for? The lack of social media links for reasons of model safety seems spurious at best...
Posted 1 Aug 2014
stolenfaces
Photographer
stolenfaces
arkady001
Which is what people have been questioning. Is the site being allowed to wither and die or does the owner seek to reinvigorate through implementation of features that more than a few members have asked for? The lack of social media links for reasons of model safety seems spurious at best...
Do you remember myspace. It died not because Facebook was better, but because when it started loosing members Myspace just tried to ape Facebook (instead of building on its undoubted strengths) , so there was no point in it at all as it was just as annoying as Facebook but less trendy. Most of the people who are still here may be so because they don't think integrating with facebook is worthwhile (or safe as it happens). Why not list the brilliant features which members have asked for. I can't remember anything worthwhile; presumably the constant complaints that people are in the wrong county or that the site doesn't publish models addresses are of little interest to you in Germany.
Posted 1 Aug 2014
skymouse
Photographer
skymouse
A small handful of people are active on Forums. Doesn't matter if it's here, there or anywhere.

When the forums on PS were busier, much of it was a mixture of rants and raves, arguing the toss, and attention-seeking (and giving)—just as it has been on other sites. Trends in the quantity of such discussion are hardly apocalyptic.

In my observation, a good deal of the comment on other sites about this one and on this site about other sites is tribal in origin, and should be taken with a pinch of salt.

Meanwhile, every single person I've spoken to in private who has reduced or ended their use of model photography sites or portfolio hosting sites say they've done so because the sites as a whole fall short of their business needs, no one site having a monopoly on shortcomings. These are people for whom modelling or model photography is a full time occupation and they're fed up with trying to shoe-horn serious needs into the toytown milieu of the various sites.
Posted 1 Aug 2014
Edited by skymouse 1 Aug 2014
cziiki
Photographer
cziiki
stolenfaces
Why don't they just use Facebook then ? The more professional models will (and do) have a personal website as a hub to all their activities (and can be linked to here). Using Facebook as a hub is not for anyone serious. It is quite easy to get someone's Facebook account suspended if you have a malicious rival so it doesn't make any sense to make it your hub site if you are a serious model. Obviously it is ideal for 'models' who don't take anything seriously and don't want to pay for anything. These threads always fail to distinguish between the very different requirements of different groups of users. Those who want to spend all day on the forums discussing the same five topics or just want to swop sycophantic comments seem to have left for sites that cater for them better.
Maybe that was once the case but I've had models tell they more than half their booking though Facebook.
Posted 1 Aug 2014
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