Can anyone point me to the 'wall of shame' that has been mentioned on here. Also does it only list people who have been banned from this site, or does it include people who have been banned on other sites, and have then registered and been approved by this site.
I've heard several people say that the site is all smoke and mirrors.
To my mind the fact that so many people who are active there come to this forum imploring PS to mirror that site's functionality says it all really. Clearly there's something going on there which they're not comfortable with. Rolling out the statement that 'competition is healthy' just doesn't cut it.
Exactly that. The blatant clique-tastic ethos of the other place is impossible to ignore - and when you comment adversely on it, you get banned...
I get fed up hearing people moan about PP and in particular about its admin - not just here but models and photographers you meet and work with. Disfunctional links clogging up FB timelines etc etc. But with the exception of pornographers who rely on a steady stream of new faces (and need a site to bolster their credibility) and those whose social lives don't extend beyond internet forums you don't really need modelling sites - whether it be PS, PP or elsewhere. Everything is increasingly FB/Twitter centric - and even though I'm an old fuddy-duddy when it comes to social media it serves me well.
Anybody with any sense would have read the signs in the early days of PP and known what it would become. Personalities seldom change and there are plenty of people who put their weight behind PP early on only to be dismissed and discarded when they were no longer needed.
When I took up model photography the first site I encountered was Net Model. It didn't take me long to realise that I didn't particularly like the 'in your face' laddish nature of the forums there (each to their own obviously) and I was glad to find an alternative in the shape of PS. It seems to me that those people who were once the tacky forum warriors on NM have migrated to PP and the dominant atmosphere on PP forums is now much the same as it used to be on NM. Frankly there are sites with a better class of people with whom to rub shoulders in the forums - although to be fair it's probably only a small percentage of people who are responsible for tainting the site.
But in all honesty I think people should just move on. Certain things are unlikely to change - including the function and objectives of PS. It's no good moaning about it - especially if you're one of the people who deserted PS and are therefore directly responsible for the 'decline' as many describe it. I suspect your particular views are unlikely to count for very much here.
The function and objectives? To provide a product/service that people are happy to pay for and to make money for the site owner.
Same as any other site.
Right now that objective is failing. Simple as that. And if people have deserted the site, then they're by definition not the ones moaning about it as they're not here... derrr...
Nobody sets up a website out of purely altruistic motives... they do it to make money.
As a stand-alone statement this is clearly untrue. For example, my personal website is not set-up to make money and never has been.arkady001Nobody sets up a website out of purely altruistic motives... they do it to make money.
The website already exists. The issue is whether further development will achieve anything.
Investment whilst activity persists is one thing. Investment in the [perhaps vain] hope that activity will grow in the future is another thing altogether.
People have already chosen to kick the place in the teeth once so I can understand a lack of appetite to bow to peoples' cries.
Do you remember myspace. It died not because Facebook was better, but because when it started loosing members Myspace just tried to ape Facebook (instead of building on its undoubted strengths) , so there was no point in it at all as it was just as annoying as Facebook but less trendy. Most of the people who are still here may be so because they don't think integrating with facebook is worthwhile (or safe as it happens). Why not list the brilliant features which members have asked for. I can't remember anything worthwhile; presumably the constant complaints that people are in the wrong county or that the site doesn't publish models addresses are of little interest to you in Germany.arkady001Which is what people have been questioning. Is the site being allowed to wither and die or does the owner seek to reinvigorate through implementation of features that more than a few members have asked for? The lack of social media links for reasons of model safety seems spurious at best...
Maybe that was once the case but I've had models tell they more than half their booking though Facebook.stolenfacesWhy don't they just use Facebook then ? The more professional models will (and do) have a personal website as a hub to all their activities (and can be linked to here). Using Facebook as a hub is not for anyone serious. It is quite easy to get someone's Facebook account suspended if you have a malicious rival so it doesn't make any sense to make it your hub site if you are a serious model. Obviously it is ideal for 'models' who don't take anything seriously and don't want to pay for anything. These threads always fail to distinguish between the very different requirements of different groups of users. Those who want to spend all day on the forums discussing the same five topics or just want to swop sycophantic comments seem to have left for sites that cater for them better.