Chaperones

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3 Aug 2011
PeterH
Photographer
PeterH
TMG

The problem with this issue only really arises when the implication that it is somehow dodgy to refuse a chaperone is voiced by one of those photographers.. If people just accept each other's working preferences then there's no basis for controversy.


....is the correct answer.
Posted 5 Aug 2011
Photogenic
Photographer
Photogenic
tarmoo

Most of the "I love chaperone" photographers appear to be photographers of poor to moderate ability who are desperate to shoot novice models, who would ignore their TF requests if based solely on portfolio quality. Check out the appalingly bad editing of some of the pro-chaperone togs on this thread.
aR




Are you for real? You don't like chaperones that is your choice and is fine. Do not try to justify that choice by insulting others.

Tone

Posted 5 Aug 2011
whicker
Photographer
whicker
PeterH

....is the correct answer.


+1 , now lets lock this thread, eh?
Posted 5 Aug 2011
tarmoo
Photographer
tarmoo
I did a TF shoot once where the models boyfriend sat outside the studio in his van. The model told me he was extremely jealous and did not like her modelling. Since he was about 6' with a fierce looking mohican haircut, it did feel slightly threatening having him around. Another model I shot this year was seriously beaten up by her boyfriend a few weeks after he had driven her to a studio shoot with me. At the time I thought that he looked a bit of a hard case and it looks like my assumption was correct. The studio owner of a studio I used last year told me of a very frightening experience he had with a female chaperone who he felt might have stabbed him and who totally turned him off chaperones forever.

None of the experienced professional models I have shot required a chaperone. Some had people to drop them at the studio. Most friends of models you meet at shoots are very nice people, but the shock of experiencing the occasional psycho is enough to dissuade most experienced photographers to avoid models who need to have someone else at the shoot. Safety is an issue with chaperones. It is safer to not have them around.

Posted 5 Aug 2011
jbcmedia
Photographer
jbcmedia
I hate them, as a general rule, but I don't outright ban them. This is what I put on my website. "Can I bring a friend along? Absolutely, however they must not interfere with the shoot. I generally advise my subjects, if they have to bring a friend, that they bring one who can help them during the shoot, whether that be with changing outfits, touching up hair or makeup, or just keeping them company between sets. I do not require you to bring a chaperone to act as my lighting assistant as I bring one of my own with me on all shoots that require one, one that's used to my method of working and my shorthand instructions. If your chaperone is not beneficial to the shooting environment, they should bring a book, iPad or something else along to occupy their time away from the shooting area. All chaperones must be discussed and approved before the day of the shoot. If you turn up with one unannounced, the shoot will be over immediately." I've yet to actually have anybody demand to bring a chaperone on a shoot.
Posted 5 Aug 2011
Edited by jbcmedia 5 Aug 2011
kenp
Photographer
kenp
Simple fact of live:
No photographer will not work with you because you don't bring a chaperone.
Many photographers will not work with you if you want to bring a chaperone.

Posted 5 Aug 2011
Purple_Girl
Photographer
Purple_Girl
kenp

 No photographer will not work with you because you don't bring a chaperone.


I actually saw a photographer's profile a few months back which stated that he always asks models to bring a chaperone to the point of insisting, can't remember if he gave a reason or who it was but it was certainly unusual and the only tog profile I've ever seen with such a statement. I don't mind them but I can't think of a reason to insist upon one.
Posted 5 Aug 2011
kenp

No photographer will not work with you because you don't bring a chaperone..


Not true apparently, its come up a few times...

In the end whatever you do someone wont want to work with you. Dont do adult work? That rules out a whole bunch of photographers. Wont do TFP? Bang, thats probably most out of the picture. Wont travel internationally? A few more gone.

Decide what you will do. Decide what you absolutely wont ever do. Then decide what you dont want to do but will consider if you cant get enough work otherwise. Dont change these things with out asking yourself why.
Posted 5 Aug 2011
Henry_Artist
Photographer
Henry_Artist

All parties involved in a shoot should check references. It is my belief that if you feel the need for a chaperone you are working with the wrong people. I also think that the only people who should be on a shoot are those who are actively part of it.

 
Posted 6 Aug 2011
Edited by Henry_Artist 6 Aug 2011
corbystock
Photographer
corbystock
If you are only going to be comfortable with a 'chaperone' present then only shoot with photographers that are happy with that, just be up front about it at first contact to save pointless email ping-pong, a line about it in your profile notes should suffice. I don't like them but plenty do so it shouldn't be a major problem.

Posted 6 Aug 2011
jetbrown
Photographer
jetbrown
tarmoo
Most of the "I love chaperone" photographers appear to be photographers of poor to moderate ability who are desperate to shoot novice models, who would ignore their TF requests if based solely on portfolio quality. Check out the appalingly bad editing of some of the pro-chaperone togs on this thread.
Idiot! Being abusive to people that think differently to you shows the type of person you are. If you don't wish to work with chaperones that is fine, but if I was a model reading this I would definitely avoid you, even if I was comfortable without chaperones. Each to their own, I don't insist on chaperones but I don't have any objections either. My paying customers nearly always bring friends/relatives, so it's part of the job for me. The OP should stick to her own preference, for every photographer who won't work with her, many more will. Ignore the ones that try to force their opinion on you. Remember it is only an opinion, and your opinion is the only one that should count.
Posted 6 Aug 2011
tarmoo
Photographer
tarmoo
The question of chaperones simply does not arise if you are booking busy experienced professional models. None of them need one, so it is not a safety issue for these models. It is entirely an issue related to inexperienced beginner models who lack confidence and who don't know how to check references properly.

So if you are a photographer with dozens of feedbacks and you want to book a model for a paid shoot, then if the model insist on bringing a chaperone, it does make the model appear as inexperienced and lacking confidence. So, in such cases, the model will probably not be booked.

If a new model is building a portfolio, the choice of who to work with is entirely theirs. Unfortunately, the vast majority of the better photographers are not keen on chaperones, so if they are looking to build the best possible portfolio their selection of photographer will be limited.
Posted 6 Aug 2011
Edited by tarmoo 6 Aug 2011
SerenDigital
Photographer
SerenDigital
tarmoo

Another model I shot this year was seriously beaten up by her boyfriend a few weeks after he had driven her to a studio shoot with me. At the time I thought that he looked a bit of a hard case and it looks like my assumption was correct.


And what exactly does "a bit of a hard case" look like?
Posted 6 Aug 2011
Apparently mohicans are on a par with a knuckleduster hanging from a belt loop.

Posted 6 Aug 2011
pose4me
Photographer
pose4me
I have had 2 good and many bad chaperones on locationa and at homes.
Goods ones helps models and photographers, chats makes drinks, keeping a look out and do not interfer with the photography side.
Bad onces always spying on the side, the model is aware of it and gets distracted by always looking away. keeps asking how much time is left.
sometimes even female chaperones have distractions.

Posted 6 Aug 2011
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