Havn't logged in to this site in a while now i see why it seems it has...

Havn't logged in to this site in a while now i see why it seems it has died a death ?

178 posts
21 Jan 2014
Biggles485

Up until a couple of years ago I would shoot two or three models every weekend but started to realise that by saving that money could book a Villa on Cyprus and ship a number of models out to work with, all expenses paid. One Christmas I had ten shoots lined up, only three took place, that was a turning point for me, unreliability and lack of communications. This year I've booked another Villa with infinity pool, sauna and jacuzzi on Cyprus, I put an early "feeler" casting call out and messaged a couple of models I thought fitted the bill pointing them towards that casting call, one response from a relative new model was that she thought a 100 Euros for a weeks shoot was a rip off! Seemed to miss the fact the whole package was worth about £1000 to her and that I only shoot for about two hours a day any one / combinations of model(s), on the previous three similar shoots I shot no more than 2000 images each trip in total, such is the heritage of using a Mamiya RZ67! I agree that money is a factor in the decline, but think that would be models are now realising that to be "Britain's next top model" they might just have to work at it and not just stand in front of a camera and dream! In other words, not as easy as they thought!


See that all sounds great but I would rather be on holiday with a loved one or at home working a full day and being paid for a full day - and many models I know feel the same way as I do. You can't "relax" if you are with a client and I would say 100 euros isn't very much for being away from home for a long period of time. I do think though that quite a few of the photographers see these trips as a way of getting a holiday with some pretty young females rather than to take good pictures which is a shame.

Posted 22 Jan 2014
Gerry99111
Photographer
Gerry99111
Chrissie_Red

See that all sounds great but I would rather be on holiday with a loved one or at home working a full day and being paid for a full day - and many models I know feel the same way as I do. You can't "relax" if you are with a client and I would say 100 euros isn't very much for being away from home for a long period of time. I do think though that quite a few of the photographers see these trips as a way of getting a holiday with some pretty young females rather than to take good pictures which is a shame.



Precisely - if someone offered me a 100 Euros to stay away from home or stop me from doing something I want to do for a week I would tell them to shove it. Booking models is a working relationship. If people want to shoot models abroad, fly them there and back for the shoot duration and pay them for that and then they will be interested.

I prefer not to have models around when we are not shooting although I have had to put them up if they travel from afar but it actually puts me off shoting models who are unable to arrive, shoot and go
Posted 22 Jan 2014
digimarx
Photographer
digimarx
profilepictures
Moderators here appear moderate to me, and less sinister than elsewhere in at least one instance. As for failures to reply. Its a fact of forum life. Your ports looking cool BTW.
I've noticed that the mods can be slightly too heavy handed on some posters. Though I congratulate them for being heavy handed on the scams that appear to go on
Posted 23 Jan 2014
Iconic
Photographer
Iconic
RupertRudd

I reckon it's all Iconics fault. He used to be here regularly, asking innocent questions, then getting kicked all over the playground. But still stuck his head over the parapet to be shot at again. I admired him for perseverance etc. Then he backed off a bit and Purestorm started to shrivel a bit. So Iconic lets be hearing more from you. Amd Laylarc too. And the model who said "go chew on a fish", before slamming the door behind her. And lets have no more talk of the corrupting FPIs next door. Still prefer Purestorm even tho' the gobby ones have emigrated.


HAHA yes the good old days, heres my 2 pence

The models i was in conversations with are some of the more popular and well known and now only operate from PP and MM so they havnt retired.

the moderators on this site kicked alot of the better known photographers and models off at one point when a certain few left ( and them being good friend with others) lots left like a great continental drift leaving the mainland and crashin into another ( so to speak )

i got several admin warning over the years for silly things that i dont think should even be an issue because i had asked a question and it had caused an argument or because i stood up for myself and even because i had re openned an old unfinished topic so i stopped coming here out of ( i would say fear but only as i cant think of a more fitting word of the top of my noodle) of being permo banned ( couldnt really give a flying **** now as its gone to the toilet)

the way ive seen people treated by some of the newer moderators on the forums was sickening and the way the site seems to alow an army of creepy men only here to drool over naked women to pester new members and old members alike to the point that they leave after a couple of days.



Posted 23 Jan 2014
Iconic
Photographer
Iconic
PaulManuell

No, 'Google it' IS a smartarse answer from someone with a superior attitude. What would've been wrong with a simple, 'SFW stands for.....' reply instead? What's lazy about asking a question on here and hoping to get the answer rather than googling it? I never realised we had to work for answers to questions that vastly more intelligent members know the answers to. I just assumed they'd be more than happy to share their knowledge. Obviously that's less fun for them than telling someone to Google it or making the person asking the question appear even thicker than he/she already is by adding a 'Doh' and a hand slapping the head face in their reply.




SFW - SAFE FOR WORK
NSFW - NOT SAFE FOR WORK


Posted 23 Jan 2014
jivago
Photographer
jivago
Iconic

HAHA yes the good old days, heres my 2 pence

1. I couldnt really give a flying **** now as its gone to the toilet

2. the way ive seen people treated by some of the newer moderators on the forums was sickening and the way the site seems to alow an army of creepy men only here to drool over naked women.....




1. Go flush yourself down the pan then.

2. Erhhhhhhhhh Nahhh!!! Pure storm is to congratulated on its ethics!  (Yes it has them - it did not start itself up within another site sad Savvy?) - Its shown its mettle, by kicking out inappropriates over the years. frown

Lame thread - Revealing an axe that you are grinding? sad Now go and take a photograph....

Posted 23 Jan 2014
PaulManuell
Photographer
PaulManuell
Iconic
SFW - SAFE FOR WORK NSFW - NOT SAFE FOR WORK
Thank you Iconic, that's all I needed to know. Shame some of the smarmy members on here couldn't take a leaf out of your book.
Posted 23 Jan 2014
PeterH
Photographer
PeterH
Gerry99111

Most models are interested in paid work, within their levels and quality expectations. Anything else is pretty irrelevant and they will actively use those sites that provide this for them. Where there are models, there will be photographers so to me it is why are the models not so active that is the most important question.


As I see it, the models who want to be paid have to go where the photographers are, and as it's mainly photographers who use the forums to have a chinwag, they've gone to a place where they can do that without some anonymous moderator making sarcastic comments in red ink on their posts. That may have been addressed now (or there are now so few posts that the opportunity doesn't arise anymore) but as I said earlier, too little too late.

Basically, is fish and sharks, when the fish move to new feeding grounds, the sharks follow.

Plus there seems to be a lifecycle to these sites, they spring up, become popular for a few years, then die off. When I first started online, any model who was the slightest bit serious just had to have an OMP (One Model Place) account. How often does that get mentioned these days. Then it was net-model, now that's just tumble weed, AMZ was the next fad, never heard of since, PS, jumped the shark, PP, will crest and fall it would seem, if history is a guide. Then something else will come along and everyone will migrate there.
Posted 23 Jan 2014
johnlp
Photographer
johnlp
"Plus there seems to be a lifecycle to these sites, they spring up, become popular for a few years, then die off."

+1

I'm on PP, PS, MM, NM and MC. I only regularly put simultaneous castings on PP and PS. The reply rate from serious models (those that have actually read the casting carefully) is about the same.

The numbers of new models in the London area is now higher on PP.

The Forums are no-more earth shattering on PP than on PS, and for free members on PP you can't start a Forum topic.

The trends that I now see are that the overall numbers replying to my castings has fallen off a cliff over the last couple of years, and the number of non-UK models with whom I've  worked with has risen to over 50%. My plans for February and March will include a number of models I've worked with two or more times. Most will be Non-UK models, very few will be Newbies.

Incidentally the reason I'm able to write this is that a non-UK model from PP has not turned up. First No-show of the year.
Posted 23 Jan 2014
Edited by johnlp 23 Jan 2014
anthonyh
Photographer
anthonyh
Maybe what we need to be surveying is the number of older men with high disposable incomes who are active on any particular site..they are the main source of income for most models so presumably the models go where they go! In fact that would be a useful statistic for advertising purposes (and attracting models) so I'm a bit surprised the various site owners don't research this.
Posted 23 Jan 2014
Iconic
Photographer
Iconic
anthonyh

Maybe what we need to be surveying is the number of older men with high disposable incomes who are active on any particular site..they are the main source of income for most models so presumably the models go where they go! In fact that would be a useful statistic for advertising purposes (and attracting models) so I'm a bit surprised the various site owners don't research this.


come to our website we have more old men with money ! haha
Posted 23 Jan 2014
tarmoo
Photographer
tarmoo
I think it is the photographers who go where the models are rather than the other way round. The primary asset for sites like this are the good models who many people want to shoot. Gaining and retaining such models should be the primary objective if sites like this.

Many good models have left Purestorm or ceased to use the site because of too many level pushing requests. Unless this issue is addressed the site will continue to decline.

Posted 23 Jan 2014
Iconic
Photographer
Iconic
PaulManuell

Thank you Iconic, that's all I needed to know. Shame some of the smarmy members on here couldn't take a leaf out of your book.


Posted 23 Jan 2014
johnlp
Photographer
johnlp
"because of too many level pushing requests."

This is possibly true, and yet at the same time we've probably all experienced the situation where models apply to casting calls that are beyond the levels that are on their profiles. It is almost a case of, "if you don't ask, you don't get", and it applies in both directions with some models offering to do higher levels on the next shoot (as long as the money is right, of course). It is a thorny problem, and although we could recommend that models should think about putting a comment on their profiles, such as, "Any requests for work above my limits will be ignored", this might make the problem worse for those that don't. I'm sure that this problem is not confined to this site.

Posted 23 Jan 2014
RedChecker
Photographer
RedChecker
tarmoo

Many good models have left Purestorm or ceased to use the site because of too many level pushing requests. Unless this issue is addressed the site will continue to decline.


There seems to be a fair few GWCs on PP now and it wouldn't surprise me if those requests were becoming commonplace on there.

Only this morning a model I'd worked with was complaining on FB about a photographer on there that was doing exactly that.
Posted 23 Jan 2014
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