Hogging the middle lane on the M1

Hogging the middle lane on the M1

75 posts
5 June 2013
mph
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mph
stolenfaces

It isn't. 'The law' is either (1) laid out in an act of parliament (including regulations which the government may alter by laying a statutory instrument before the house) Or (2) common law which is set by judicial precedence The Highway Code is a list of good practice and interesting facts including some references to the legalities of driving.


However, many of the rules in The Highway Code are legal requirements, and if you disobey these rules you are committing a criminal offence. You may be fined, given penalty points on your licence or be disqualified from driving. In the most serious cases you may be sent to prison. Such rules are identified by the use of the words ‘MUST/MUST NOT’. In addition, the rule includes an abbreviated reference to the legislation which creates the offence.

Additionally although failure to comply with the other rules of The Highway Code will not, in itself, cause a person to be prosecuted, The Highway Code may be used in evidence in any court proceedings under the Traffic Acts to establish liability. This includes rules which use advisory wording such as ‘should/should not’ or ‘do/do not’.
Posted 8 June 2013
Edited by mph 8 June 2013
onebadpuppy
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onebadpuppy
Motorways are very simple, the inside lane is for trucks, coaches, campervans, caravans, old people and the odd horse and cart, the outside land is for BMW's, and the inside lane is for everything else. It ain't rocket science.

Posted 8 June 2013
mph
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mph
onebadpuppy

Motorways are very simple, the inside lane is for trucks, coaches, campervans, caravans, old people and the odd horse and cart, the outside land is for BMW's, and the inside lane is for everything else. It ain't rocket science.


Well I've been overtaken by a guy in the outside lane towing a caravan so............. 

Posted 8 June 2013
pompeytog
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pompeytog
stolenfaces

If you're such a good driver that it is safe for you to poodle along at 90mph, surely you can move into the 3rd lane, even at 70 the only problem with moving into the 3rd lane is criminals driving fast enough to receive a ban if caught. So why would they need to pull over to let you past ? The Highway code isn't a law, certain parts of it are part of the criminal law. Speed Limits are specific, what constitutes overtaking is less clear. Are lorries which take it in turns to overtake each other at 61mph v 60mph (taking 15 minutes to pass) overtaking ? These rolling roadblock games are generally more dangerous /frustrating than a middle lane hogger. Changing lanes is inherently dangerous. However good your technique and ability, a poor driver on his mobile can still hit you. If you are so good and safe at changing lanes why do you have a problem with moving out into the 3rd lane if you find someone in the middle lane who is inconsiderately obeying the speed limit. And there are a lot of motorway junctions where lane 1 becomes an exit lane, so you have to get out into the traffic breaking the speed limit in lane 2 if you don't pull out at an early opportunity. If everyone drove all the time in the inside lane the road surface would need replacing more frequently (which is why some sections of the motorway have an inside lane which provides a similar driving experience to a farm track).






So who mentioned 90mph? Not me for sure. Yes you sometimes can move to lane three to overtake,( except when the dumbshit twats who want to pick & choose which  rules of the highway code to obey ) are hogging lane two when lane one is empty, so forcing the poodlers to block lane three. 

Some parts of the highway code may not be law but they are the standards set to try and avoid chaos on the roads. If you think you can choose which parts are relavent then try taking your driving test again and see how far you get by picking and choosing which rules you feel like obeying. 

I agree with you about the truck rolling road blocks.

Changing lanes really isn't inherently dangerous, the trick is to plan ahead and early. Use your mirrors to see what is approaching, put on a signal if safe to do so, chin to shoulder check to check your blind spot and if all clear, gently steer into the next lane. It's really easy , really really easy. As I said before, of you can't do that safely you don't deserve a driving licence.

Your point about lane one getting worn out and needing replacing more frequently, bonus, only one lane needing resurfacing rather than two or three. Even less traffic hold ups.
Posted 8 June 2013
Ian_Wilson
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Ian_Wilson
The problem of middle lane hoggers would not be an issue if undertaking was made legal.

Posted 8 June 2013
mph
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mph
I have a solution! Make lane 1 quieter than lanes 2 and 3 by using a different surface. Many more would use it. Serious suggestion by the way.
Posted 8 June 2013
alexkidd
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alexkidd
i just wish they'd introduce higher variable speed limits, doing 70 on an exceptionally long stretch of motorway at night with 1 car every 20 mins when i could be doing 90 is a bit annoying (awaits the wrath of the righteous)
Posted 9 June 2013
mph
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mph
alexkidd
i just wish they'd introduce higher variable speed limits, doing 70 on an exceptionally long stretch of motorway at night with 1 car every 20 mins when i could be doing 90 is a bit annoying (awaits the wrath of the righteous)
I can remember when there was no 70 limit! Mind you the car I had would have been pushed to get to 70!
Posted 9 June 2013
DorsetHammer
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DorsetHammer
mph

I have a solution! Make lane 1 quieter than lanes 2 and 3 by using a different surface. Many more would use it. Serious suggestion by the way.


It's been practice in the UK since 1st April 2003 to replace concrete motorway surfaces with 'quieter' materials when need arises  - so not such a daft suggestion!cheeky

The next step will be to replace the 'quieter' materials with carpet underlay.


Posted 9 June 2013
pompeytog
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pompeytog
Ian_Wilson

The problem of middle lane hoggers would not be an issue if undertaking was made legal.





 Massive +1 to this. Problem is though due to the nanny state we live in, it probably won't be made legal because "what if drivers forget to use their mirrors when changing lanes", ( i.e. you're undertaking and middle lane hogger decides to move back to lane 1 without checking). The USA seem to manage undertaking ok though.  
Posted 9 June 2013
pompeytog
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pompeytog
alexkidd

i just wish they'd introduce higher variable speed limits, doing 70 on an exceptionally long stretch of motorway at night with 1 car every 20 mins when i could be doing 90 is a bit annoying (awaits the wrath of the righteous)



+1
Posted 9 June 2013
PaulManuell
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Ian_Wilson
The problem of middle lane hoggers would not be an issue if undertaking was made legal.
We've got no motorways in Cornwall, but I regularly undertake offside lane hogging cars on my motorbike on dual carriageways. It's infuriating when I close in on them at well over 100mph and they just stay there
Posted 9 June 2013
snapychapy
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snapychapy
onebadpuppy

Motorways are very simple, the inside lane is for trucks, coaches, campervans, caravans, old people and the odd horse and cart, the outside land is for BMW's, and the inside lane is for everything else. It ain't rocket science.


you f..... idiot
Posted 9 June 2013
mph
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mph
snapychapy

you f..... idiot


Did the sense of humour by-pass hurt much? 
Posted 9 June 2013
stolenfaces
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stolenfaces
pompeytog
 Massive +1 to this. Problem is though due to the nanny state we live in, it probably won't be made legal because "what if drivers forget to use their mirrors when changing lanes", ( i.e. you're undertaking and middle lane hogger decides to move back to lane 1 without checking). The USA seem to manage undertaking ok though.  
You seem to misunderstand the concept of the 'nanny state' - the nanny state forces you to look after yourself - stopping you killing other people is a prime function of any state. Much of this discussion seems to be contrasting people's 'amusing' comments about driving on dual-carriageways in rural backwaters with others' experiences on 4 or 6 lane motorways. Personally I find French motorways sensible with an 80mph limit in dry weather, but 70 in wet weather. I would favour a similar system here except that it would reportedly cost at leat £500 million
Posted 9 June 2013
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