All I hear about PS is negative........

All I hear about PS is negative........

208 posts
26 July 2014
w4pictures
Photographer
w4pictures
Think of it as being a member of a club that's a bit more exclusive than the one down the road.

In terms of model safety alone, the culture of thoroughness in checking membership credentials is only to be welcomed. Its no more anooying than shuffling along in the queue at airport security and the benefits are similarly obvious.

Posted 28 July 2014
nige_nw
Photographer
nige_nw
I don't (or very very rarely) put up casting calls and as I am not shooting much these days it probably doesn't matter but I really do see it very similar to the early stages that saw the decline of NM & (quite?) a few on here will know how that has ended up.

I admit I tend to work with models I already know but I also use viewing the models' casting calls as a way of seeing who is out there etc.

Yes there is (quite possibly a largish as I have no idea of those who don't post in the forums etc) core on here who find this site works for them but to me it seems not to be expanding in activity but shrinking.
I see the model's castings calls have declined significantly to maybe only a handful a day this to me is not a healthy state of affairs going forward.

Those of you do put up castings for models may not have noticed a decline in responses - I don't know - but I do suspect overall there is a drop, even if a few thrive.

There needs to be sufficient numbers of both photographers and models to keep things alive

I like the site but ultimately I will only stay active where other activity is & as I am no longer working personally each year I will review where I pay subs. (this year I could not afford to stay at gold & down graded) if it continues as I see it next year I may have to review silver
Posted 28 July 2014
Edited by nige_nw 28 July 2014
FlashBangWallop
Photographer
FlashBangWallop
w4pictures

Think of it as being a member of a club that's a bit more exclusive than the one down the road.


I just did a search for a model in Lancashire (any level) and selected show those logged in recently first.
On first 20 profiles only 5 had logged in within a week

That cant be good for business.

Posted 28 July 2014
marlhamphoto
Photographer
marlhamphoto
FlashBangWallop

I just did a search for a model in Lancashire (any level) and selected show those logged in recently first.
On first 20 profiles only 5 had logged in within a week


LOL. Not only is that statement factually inaccurate but it it's also a totally ignorant representation of the results a search will give due to the way subscription levels are grouped. And in any case what's the significance of whether someone's logged in within a week as opposed to two weeks or a month...
Posted 28 July 2014
FlashBangWallop
Photographer
FlashBangWallop
I didnt make the statement to belittle the site Marlham. Fair point it is showing subscribed members first but when the subscribed members arn't logging in very often I'd find that a little worrying.

Whats the significance...come on...if someone is looking for a model and a result shows she's not logged in for a month most people would just scroll on by.

Posted 28 July 2014
Bob
Photographer
Bob
FlashBangWallop

On first 20 profiles only 5 had logged in within a week

I think you'll find it's pretty much the same on all the sites at the moment, unless you happen to be looking in one of a couple of small hotspot areas.

Over the last couple of weeks I've been looking on four sites for models localish to a number of specific places in the south and southwest where I would have liked to have shot in the hot weather. As these would have had to have been early morning shoots, after checking availability of those I have previously worked with, I searched for suitable models relatively close to the locations rather than posting casting calls which I can pretty much guarantee would have attracted those who either were far too distant or were totally unsuitable. I was amazed at how long it had actually been since many on the search result lists (filtered by recent activity) had logged into their accounts on any of the sites; and that included quite a few who I know last time I was in touch with them were pretty much fulltime availability models.

It seems to me that the whole scene has diminished considerably over the last couple of years, and I don't think that is due to new sites diluting the numbers. True, you still see the odd totally unrealistic wannabe and the occasional drama llama who is attention-seeking rising to short term prominence on one site or another, but on the whole I reckon that the sort of 'occasional model' who used to regularly pack out this type of site in the heyday (i.e. three to seven years ago) is no longer interested. A small core of hard-working and talented long-term models can still be found with profiles on all the sites, and indeed I have shot with some of them over the last couple of months, but they are in the minority and they are nowhere near as numersous as they were during the last half of the last decade.

Mind you this is probably only to be expected, with both social sites like TwitFace etc. giving the wannabes an outlet where they can preen and pretend to be the Next Top Model In My Town / Village and the demise of the Lads Mags making those models with a little bit more drive than the wannabes no longer a potential candidate for the 'newsstand glamour scene'. I also don't suppose the rise of overly-PC and sometimes inhuman Human Resources Officers snooping around the web, like members of the Spanish Inquisition in their bid to find 'incriminating evidence' to prove that job applicants are actually witches who will drag the company or organisation into disrepute, are making it easy for models to consider being on websites like this either.

However, speaking as one of those guys who is not addicted to shooting each and every local newbie/teen who appears on the scene, I actually quite like the smaller pool of available models on here as it means I don't have to politely reply to (sometimes tens of) wholly unsuitable applicants each time I post a casting call nor do I risk attracting the wrath of minimal experience drama llamas when I don't agree to shoot them at rates greater than highly experienced models with a great portfolio can rightfully command.

Bob

PS. I trust the ending of this post isn't too positive for those whose glasses are half empty.


Posted 28 July 2014
PHP_Photography
Photographer
PHP_Photography
SandyCamel

Why do you say that I wonder ?

There seem to be very few models from Finland ?

I am probably missing something very obvious, so please forgive me - just curious.

There are more non UK models here and stats are also metric.


Posted 28 July 2014
SandyCamel
Photographer
SandyCamel
PHP_Photography

There are more non UK models here and stats are also metric.






Sorry - I genuinely don't understand your response to my query.


Just me being stupid probably.









Posted 28 July 2014
cziiki
Photographer
cziiki
An initial and ongoing problem has been usefulness to models because of intrusive censorship. It's a matter of how useful it is to have a portfolio on the site. While for example there is massive cross linking on twitter, facebook, instagram etc., on Purestorm there is all this nonsensical {link removed} {facebook link not allowed} {not a modeling page} blah blah blah. In a world of website monetizing by up-selling of features and advertising from free (and encouraged) cross linking with the rest of the world, PS was trying to make itself exclusive and therefore a 'must-join' site. But now its not a must-join because there is one major competitor and a few up-and-coming ones too. Facebook is full of models linking to their portfolios, their competition entries, their 'share-a-shoot' pages.... but not on PS because they can't. Open up to the world and compete on features, not trying to be exclusive! put facebook links on pages, encourage tweeting of castings and shouts, start living in the modern world!
Posted 29 July 2014
Hugh
Photographer
Hugh
cziiki
... Facebook is full of models linking to their portfolios, their competition entries, their 'share-a-shoot' pages.... but not on PS because they can't...
Exactly. Adapt to the new world, or die a slow death... and that would be a shame.
Posted 29 July 2014
marlhamphoto
Photographer
marlhamphoto
cziiki

Facebook is full of models linking to their portfolios, their competition entries, their 'share-a-shoot' pages....

Which is a pain in the arse if you click on the link to their portfolio only to be advised that it or the image doesn't exist. When of course it does but you can't access it if you're either not a member or not logged in. Filling up people's timelines with dead links invariably results in an 'un-friend' - from me at least.
Posted 29 July 2014
cziiki
Photographer
cziiki
marlhamphoto
Which is a pain in the arse if you click on the link to their portfolio only to be advised that it or the image doesn't exist. When of course it does but you can't access it if you're either not a member or not logged in. Filling up people's timelines with dead links invariably results in an 'un-friend' - from me at least.
haha that's one reaction, funny! (if it's a joke, not sure)
Posted 29 July 2014
MG
Photographer
MG
I hope that I am not speaking out of place here but the reason that I understand why PS is slipping away gradually is that it requires such hard work to get it back to where it should be and the powers that be lack enthusiasm for it. I can't blame them for that. It requires so so much work but the main part is sorting out fallings out between photographers and models. He said that, she promised that..... I should think there are tens if not hundreds of complaints made every day on sites like these. I for one would not want to run a site like this. There is also a real risk of what people are uploading. If someone goes and uploads something they shouldn't then the site owner is responsible.

It doesn't help the situation and it doesn't make it right but the truth is that sites like this aren't very commercially viable unless they run advertising which they don't seem to...



Posted 29 July 2014
anthonyh
Photographer
anthonyh
MG

I hope that I am not speaking out of place here but the reason that I understand why PS is slipping away gradually is that it requires such hard work to get it back to where it should be and the powers that be lack enthusiasm for it. I can't blame them for that. It requires so so much work but the main part is sorting out fallings out between photographers and models. He said that, she promised that..... I should think there are tens if not hundreds of complaints made every day on sites like these. I for one would not want to run a site like this. There is also a real risk of what people are uploading. If someone goes and uploads something they shouldn't then the site owner is responsible. It doesn't help the situation and it doesn't make it right but the truth is that sites like this aren't very commercially viable unless they run advertising which they don't seem to...


The problem with your analysis is that PP and a couple of other sites seem to be doing well...without advertising.

Obviously I don't know what income is generated for the owners of this site. I suspect it is in sharp decline and that is one reason for a general  lack of interest. However, there is no reason why a site like this can't go back to the drawing board, review its business model and operating rules...and use its current customer base to 'relaunch'.

However...similar suggestions were made during the period Net-Model (which was big) started to decline. A visit to that site will demonstrate what happens when the owner still doesn't bother.
Posted 29 July 2014
stolenfaces
Photographer
stolenfaces
cziiki

An initial and ongoing problem has been usefulness to models because of intrusive censorship. It's a matter of how useful it is to have a portfolio on the site. While for example there is massive cross linking on twitter, facebook, instagram etc., on Purestorm there is all this nonsensical {link removed} {facebook link not allowed} {not a modeling page} blah blah blah. In a world of website monetizing by up-selling of features and advertising from free (and encouraged) cross linking with the rest of the world, PS was trying to make itself exclusive and therefore a 'must-join' site. But now its not a must-join because there is one major competitor and a few up-and-coming ones too. Facebook is full of models linking to their portfolios, their competition entries, their 'share-a-shoot' pages.... but not on PS because they can't. Open up to the world and compete on features, not trying to be exclusive! put facebook links on pages, encourage tweeting of castings and shouts, start living in the modern world!


Why don't they just use Facebook then ?

The more professional models will (and do) have a personal website as a hub to all their activities (and can be linked to here).

Using Facebook as a hub is not for anyone serious. It is quite easy to get someone's Facebook account suspended if you have a malicious rival so it doesn't make any sense to make it your hub site if you are a serious model. Obviously it is ideal for 'models' who don't take anything seriously and don't want to pay for anything.

These threads always fail to distinguish between the very different requirements of different groups of users. Those who want to spend all day on the forums discussing the same five topics or just want to swop sycophantic comments seem to have left for sites that cater for them better.
Posted 29 July 2014
Edited by Love 29 July 2014
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