Global warming caused by human beings - true or false ?

Global warming caused by human beings - true or false ?

102 posts
31 March 2014
mph
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mph
jivago
I am sorry, there was a particularly malodorous exhumation I attended in preference to continuing to debate with you.  I will take your ad hominem attack as a lack of substance to your views. May I ask you a question?
Thank God you found a way to include ad hominem in another thread. I was worried you had forgotten that phrase!
Posted 1 April 2014
jivago
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jivago
mph

Thank God you found a way to include ad hominem in another thread. I was worried you had forgotten that phrase!


Extreme right wing bigots always bring it to mind.

Posted 1 April 2014
mph
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mph
If you are determined to act as a pretentious git.

For someone who denies being left wing your attacks on others as right wingers amuse!

Posted 1 April 2014
jivago
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jivago
mph

If you are determined to act as a pretentious git. For someone who denies being left wing your attacks on others as right wingers amuse!


- Maybe its becuase you are very right wing?

...Now Global warming

Posted 1 April 2014
Edited by jivago 1 April 2014
digimarx
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SandyCamel
So, human's creating global warming is back in the news. Apparently we are all to blame with our life-styles. Also, apparently, 12,000 years ago there was a glacier 3 miles thick over Britain as far south as London. On the other hand grapes were grown in England by the Romans 2,000 years ago because summers became warmer. Dinosaurs enjoyed higher temparatures than now apparently - lucky things - there were no polar ice-caps apparently. Apparently the sun's intensity varies - it is inconsistent. So, global warming / cooling - fluctuation - is it our fault or is it a natural thing ???
I think humans have contributed to some of the global warming....here is my theory 1) We are so populous 2) we are industrialised producing greenhouse gases either through factories or vehicle emissions 3) Humans have cleared a lot of the landscape to populate cities and towns
Posted 1 April 2014
tonycsm
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tonycsm
jivago

I am sorry, there was a particularly malodorous exhumation I attended in preference to continuing to debate with you.  I will take your ad hominem attack as a lack of substance to your views.

May I ask you a question?frown



Here's a question for you... if Michael Mann's Hockey Stick representation was so definitive, why was it neccessary for Jones et al to want to  ' lose '  the MWP as was implied in the leaked University of EA emails? 
You might also want to comment on the relevance of studies of plant stomata as an indicator of past CO2 levels while you're at it! 

This should be an interesting 'debate'!frown
Posted 1 April 2014
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stolenfaces
tonycsm
Here's a question for you... if Michael Mann's Hockey Stick representation was so definitive, why was it neccessary for Jones et al to want to  ' lose '  the MWP as was implied in the leaked University of EA emails?  You might also want to comment on the relevance of studies of plant stomata as an indicator of past CO2 levels while you're at it!  This should be an interesting 'debate'!
Well if you've got a degree in geology I'm sure none of us would bother arguing with you, even when your actual hypothesis seems to swing around widely with every post. I expect one of your opinions is probably not so far from the truth, but the question (for anyone who can be bothered) is to guess which one. Someone of your ability is wasting themselves on these forums, why don't you stand for your local council or perhaps as an MEP. I believe UKIP are always looking for people who like the sound of their own voice and a man with a degree in geology would surely be held in great regard by the party.
Posted 2 April 2014
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Back on topic, the answer would be 'partially true' in that whilst cycles of climate change occur with the planets relationship to the sun, our own activities also must ( in what is a sealed system) also have an effect - I don't think anyone can argue its been positive on the environment ove the last couple of hundred years?

It's a dreadful shame, perhaps the worst shame that between us all we appear not to have very much idea how to respond to this situation, on one hand the end of a glacial age, on the other our poor housekeeping of our planet. Particularly since I'd imagine there's pretty much a parity in our views that we'd all rather like to live in a clean healthy and stable environment. All the irrelevant education or political leanings aside, who wants to be poisoned on a local, never mind global level?

Posted 2 April 2014
mph
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mph
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Back on topic, the answer would be 'partially true' in that whilst cycles of climate change occur with the planets relationship to the sun, our own activities also must ( in what is a sealed system) also have an effect - I don't think anyone can argue its been positive on the environment ove the last couple of hundred years? It's a dreadful shame, perhaps the worst shame that between us all we appear not to have very much idea how to respond to this situation, on one hand the end of a glacial age, on the other our poor housekeeping of our planet. Particularly since I'd imagine there's pretty much a parity in our views that we'd all rather like to live in a clean healthy and stable environment. All the irrelevant education or political leanings aside, who wants to be poisoned on a local, never mind global level?
I would not disagree with that. My concern is the disproportionate distortion of our economy for a meaningless reduction in the effect on the world's global warming, if indeed we are contributing to it, when the rise in emissions from developing countries will dwarf our efforts.
Posted 2 April 2014
mph
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mph
jivago
- Maybe its becuase you are very right wing?
Oh the irony of being accused of being very right wing from someone so far to the left that be can't even see the centre!
Posted 2 April 2014
Partly

Posted 2 April 2014
tonycsm
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tonycsm
stolenfaces

Well if you've got a degree in geology I'm sure none of us would bother arguing with you, even when your actual hypothesis seems to swing around widely with every post. I expect one of your opinions is probably not so far from the truth, but the question (for anyone who can be bothered) is to guess which one. Someone of your ability is wasting themselves on these forums, why don't you stand for your local council or perhaps as an MEP. I believe UKIP are always looking for people who like the sound of their own voice and a man with a degree in geology would surely be held in great regard by the party.


Normally I'd engage in reasoned debate with people like you but in your case I'll make an exception as I really don't feel it right to go into a batlle of wits with an unarmed combatant!

As for me joining UKIP, I really don't think I'd be very good material for them as I have probably far more close friends of ethnic origin than most people on here which I suspect wouldn't go down too well .... so your rather petty attempt at schoolboy sarcasm is somewhat wasted in this case.laugh



Posted 2 April 2014
jivago
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jivago
mph

I would not disagree with that. My concern is the disproportionate distortion of our economy for a meaningless reduction in the effect on the world's global warming, if indeed we are contributing to it, when the rise in emissions from developing countries will dwarf our efforts.


Please quantify "disproportionate" and please clarify its basis?

....Or is it just the 'Corporates' would actually have to spend on something of social value instead of their own narrow self interests & profit?

Posted 2 April 2014
jivago
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jivago
tonycsm

Here's a question for you... if Michael Mann's Hockey Stick representation was so definitive, why was it neccessary for Jones et al to want to  ' lose '  the MWP as was implied in the leaked University of EA emails? 
You might also want to comment on the relevance of studies of plant stomata as an indicator of past CO2 levels while you're at it! 

This should be an interesting 'debate'!frown


Tony you play the 'straw man' too well!

 - Evidence please - Thank you

Posted 2 April 2014
mph
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mph
[qt][author]jivago[/author] Please quantify "disproportionate" and please clarify its basis? ....Or is it just the 'Corporates' would actually have to spend on something of social value instead of their own narrow self interests & profit? [/qt] Disproportionate? Oh the sort of costs that mean even people with "a Government profession to pursue and a business to run and who shoot with the absolute finest professional cameras (Hasselblad and Leica)" would no longer be able to afford to do so! If you were as intelligent as you purport to be, Doctor, you would have understood the term from the way my point was made in the post you are commenting on.
Posted 2 April 2014
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