Please dont hate me.....

Please dont hate me.....

44 posts
20 Nov 2013
JadedRed
Why? It should only bother you if you feel you are somehow entitled to have things any other way. 
i guess i dont really mean it bothers me, people are free to do as they wish afterall more i think its silly to blanket rule something out like that and was curious as to others opinions
Posted 21 Nov 2013
Lisaliz
Model
Lisaliz
I now sort of see what the OP is getting at.
In theory, a good art nude model could have a sufficient portfolio and not really need another nude image. However, if one of the top art nude photographers approached her for a tf shoot, she might jump at the chance and a blanket no nude tf rule would have precluded that exciting opportunity.
However, in reality, she just doesn't want to work nude for tf. Because most photographers are not going to offer her anything she wants, and she will undoubtedly get a lot of annoying requests if she does leave the door open for tf nudes. Some photographers can be a right pain if they get turned down and maybe she's had some of that and doesn't want any more?

Posted 21 Nov 2013
Edited by Lisaliz 21 Nov 2013
Josh_Woodcock_Photography

i guess i dont really mean it bothers me, people are free to do as they wish afterall more i think its silly to blanket rule something out like that and was curious as to others opinions


I straight out 100% don't do hardcore pornography. Someone else might think that is silly and I shouldn't blanket rule it out when there might be a 1 in a million chance of some amazing opportunity, but that person simply lacks the empathy to understand that other people might not be interested in doing hardcore pornography or have aims in life that wouldn't be aided by doing hardcore pornography. 

Or it could just be that I'm a model and therefore incapable of knowing what I want and what is good for my aims and need a stranger to point out I'm misunderstanding my own situation.
Posted 21 Nov 2013
stolenfaces
Photographer
stolenfaces
Josh_Woodcock_Photography
i guess i dont really mean it bothers me, people are free to do as they wish afterall more i think its silly to blanket rule something out like that and was curious as to others opinions
What makes you think they are blanket ruling it out. They are saying don't cold call me as I'm not interested in some chancer trying to get nude pics for free. That doesn't mean that they wouldn't work with someone of their choice or even be flexible if a tfp shoot is arranged at a clothed level and they like the photographer's work/attitude.
Posted 21 Nov 2013
EdT
Photographer
EdT
Lisaliz
I now sort of see what the OP is getting at. In theory, a good art nude model could have a sufficient portfolio and not really need another nude image. However, if one of the top art nude photographers approached her for a tf shoot, she might jump at the chance and a blanket no nude tf rule would have precluded that exciting opportunity. However, in reality, she just doesn't want to work nude for tf. Because most photographers are not going to offer her anything she wants, and she will undoubtedly get a lot of annoying requests if she does leave the door open for tf nudes. Some photographers can be a right pain if they get turned down and maybe she's had some of that and doesn't want any more?
Pretty much sums it up. It puts off the chancers who just want her to get her kit off, but leaves her with the option of saying yes if a top notch photographer contacts her.
Posted 23 Nov 2013
Most models aren't in it for the "art" therefore won't get naked for free. Can't really say I blame them.

However if a photographer was fantastic and could offer me amazing shots then I'd definitely consider it. Would have to be an exceptional photographer tho.

Posted 23 Nov 2013
tarmoo
Photographer
tarmoo
Most of the better art nude models get some edits from about 90% of paid shoots. The quality of these photos is often way better than the vast majority of those wanting to do TF with the model.

Posted 23 Nov 2013
Josh, I think that you are over thinking it.
It is like anything else. A business decision.

Purestorm allows people a limited access for free. To allow more access then they charge more. The more payment the higher the level of access.

Models may feel that they are offering more of a service if they shoot nudes TF and believe that it is correct to charge.

I personally think that is reasonable.

An example is when I have access to a car I am happy to drive friends to and from local towns such as St Andrews about 12 miles away, Perth 23 miles away. However if they are wanting me to drive them to the Airport In Glasgow then I would have to ask for petrol money.

Models of course may not agree with me. However that is how I see it.

Posted 23 Nov 2013
I think an analogy would be a photographer saying I will not work with a model who has implants.

A blanket rule that may inhibit their photographer, however something that I have decided.

I happen to have made the above decision myself.

Is it limiting? Possibly.

However that is my choice.

Would a model who has implants be upset at this? Nope. If my port were far better possibly. However we all make our choices and have to live with them.

I may change this later.

However I may not.

This does not say anything about the models skill or professionalism.
Posted 23 Nov 2013
Edited by pinkbuildingphotography 23 Nov 2013
Gerry99111
Photographer
Gerry99111
I know one who has that statement. She doesn't need any more nude or lingerie images - it doesn't matter who offers to shoot her TF, she still doesn't need or want any more nude or lingerie images. She gets all the paid nude and lingerie bookings she needs and does not need to promote herself. She doesn't want to waste her time answering anyone no matter how good they are asking her for TFP nude and lingerie. She shoots that for cash only and is able to get quality bookings and not have to compromise.

She may [and I say just may] consider a TFP fashion simply because that may interest her. She doesn't need the images though to get her more bookings.

It makes perfect sense to me why she has taken this approach otherwise she will be swamped by people she has no need to converse with.

Posted 23 Nov 2013
Bob
Photographer
Bob
Gerry99111

It makes perfect sense to me why she has taken this approach otherwise she will be swamped by people she has no need to converse with.

That makes sense to me too, though I can see why some delusional snappers who think sunbeams eminate from their own rectum might take offence.
Bob
Posted 23 Nov 2013
Bob
That makes sense to me too, though I can see why some delusional snappers who think sunbeams eminate from their own rectum might take offence. Bob
i dont believe i am a "delusional snappers" and defiantly dont believe the latter (sun is hot that would hurt) i simply believe in always leaving doors open..... please dont let this thread turn into a slagging match of personal insults tho thanks
Posted 23 Nov 2013
Edited by Josh_Woodcock_Photography 23 Nov 2013
skymouse
Photographer
skymouse
As others have said, ordinary market behaviour comes into it.

When you sell your most valuable products, you're going to expect — not unreasonably — to be able to command comparably valuable consideration. In the case of models who have robust access to well-paying customers and also don't particularly need promotional material, TF* might just not cut it (and even if the model does occasional TF with photographers whom they can rely on to give valuable enough results, you can't blame them for not generally advertising that they do so).
Posted 24 Nov 2013
Edited by skymouse 23 Nov 2013
stolenfaces
Photographer
stolenfaces
Some people would see signing up for mail/Telephone preference services as losing the opportunities of exciting offers, most people see it as a way of avoiding mountains of junk mail or calls.

That is what the note on the profile means. For every 'lost opportunity' they would probably get 1000 or so spam e-mails. As others have tried to explain, what you say on your profile is not 'a rule' it is information for people who are thinking of contacting you so that both of you can avoid wasting e-mails and time on discussing something which isn't going to happen.

If you watch very carefully you will see models post castings which conflict with what it says on their profile such as 'I don't normally do TFP, but am currently looking to enhance a particular area...' or 'I need some new pictures due to new hair...'

Posted 24 Nov 2013
Edited by stolenfaces 24 Nov 2013
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