Baroness Thatcher (retitled)

Baroness Thatcher (retitled)

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8 April 2013
stevephot
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When somebody does a very necessary job, one that others had been too scared to take on, enemies will be made amongst those that have been in freewheel destruction in pursuit of their own desires. If people are still unable to recognise the importance of what was done in those times then your 'political views' are blinkering your ability to comprehend the reality of the dire straits we were in. It is quite telling that the posts I've seen on my FB stream that have been 'celebratory' have been by people who were not even born whilst she was PM. Evidence of being raised with bigoted views on her as opposed to thinking rationally and in an informed manner about those days. She has been ill for some time so her death does not come as a surprise. The only surprise to me at the hate expressed by some is that they have not had their blinkers removed over the last few decades.



I dont think its a blinkered view.

If your family was destroyed or damaged due to her policies and actions ...then you cant really expect those people to be fond of her.  

It really does depend on how she affected your family.

Posted 8 April 2013
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Callear
She ruined the country. She brought in laws that promoted greed and tax dodging by the rich. That still exist today and are part of our whole problem. She systematically destroyed the steel and coal industry which has left with no core exports (British steel and such) and left us open to being at the mercy of Russia for fuel. Like most MP's she was short sighted and never saw the bigger long term picture. The unions were a problem and needed fixing. But by destroying the industry they represented she did far more harm than good and ruined hundreds of thousands of peoples lives without a second thought.
I thought Red Robbo and Arthur Scargill managed to destroy those industries?
Posted 8 April 2013
Callear
It says more about the level of feeling towards her than the people who say they are happy because she's dead. The fact that someone is dead shouldn't stop people saying what they think about them, even if it's bad. If she didn't want to be thought of badly when she passed away she should have done better in life. Yes she was someones Mother. So what, so are many bad women.
id goes as far as to say she was probably better and did more for the country as a whole than you or many of the people judging her did its all easy to sit on a pedestal and say shes crap but if she was then why arnt you out there doing it better
Posted 8 April 2013
OldMaster

I'm off to celebrate. This woman put in place the foundations upon which our present "society" was built. The social damage she did was unprecedented and the effects are still very much with us.


She also destroyed the community of my home town a mining town .. Good riddance!
Posted 8 April 2013
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Britain was in a mess, the Unions destroyed what was a thriving manufacturing industry but early signs of decline was to be seen instead what did they do? Made Britain unpalatable for business by striking. Britain earned a reputation as a country not to do business in and being lazy.

The Iron Lady stopped the spiral of destruction, at a heavy cost to all sides. She broke the back of the unions, they had garnered too much power and was a major threat to the country. Even today you can still see shadows and remnants of that power they wielded like a club. If you wanted to see how a strike should have been done then look at Glasgow's Docklands, no violence, no anarchy, just get on with trying to save their livelihoods.

The Lady was also also popular with the military, especially for the Falklands where she backed the troops 100%. She had the balls to stand up for what was ours, and you will note no soldier has criticised her for doing what was right even at the high cost of the short war. She was also highly respected by the SAS but that's story for another day.

It wasn't all glory for her, she's reviled and hated with a passion in Scotland for the infamous Poll Tax. Something that Labour dreamt up but the Torries got the flak for. Taxes was never going to be popular but she stabbed Scotland in the back by not abolishing it at the same as England. She also created the mess that most Councils are in with the sale of Council Housing leading to a shortage, then again at the time there was few that thought we'd hit the population levels we are at let alone the influx of immigrants into this country.

Love or Hate her, you have to admire her. She achieved the rags to riches that few people have the ability to do so. She's done more for this country than any other government since probably Churchill, who like Thatcher, was thrown out to the Wolves once his time was over.

Posted 8 April 2013
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Been Celebrating All day !! Good Riddance !!

Posted 8 April 2013
Badger
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Britain was in a mess, the Unions destroyed what was a thriving manufacturing industry but early signs of decline was to be seen instead what did they do? Made Britain unpalatable for business by striking. Britain earned a reputation as a country not to do business in and being lazy. The Iron Lady stopped the spiral of destruction, at a heavy cost to all sides. She broke the back of the unions, they had garnered too much power and was a major threat to the country. Even today you can still see shadows and remnants of that power they wielded like a club. If you wanted to see how a strike should have been done then look at Glasgow's Docklands, no violence, no anarchy, just get on with trying to save their livelihoods. The Lady was also also popular with the military, especially for the Falklands where she backed the troops 100%. She had the balls to stand up for what was ours, and you will note no soldier has criticised her for doing what was right even at the high cost of the short war. She was also highly respected by the SAS but that's story for another day. It wasn't all glory for her, she's reviled and hated with a passion in Scotland for the infamous Poll Tax. Something that Labour dreamt up but the Torries got the flak for. Taxes was never going to be popular but she stabbed Scotland in the back by not abolishing it at the same as England. She also created the mess that most Councils are in with the sale of Council Housing leading to a shortage, then again at the time there was few that thought we'd hit the population levels we are at let alone the influx of immigrants into this country. Love or Hate her, you have to admire her. She achieved the rags to riches that few people have the ability to do so. She's done more for this country than any other government since probably Churchill, who like Thatcher, was thrown out to the Wolves once his time was over.




Well said.
Posted 8 April 2013
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Britain was in a mess, the Unions destroyed what was a thriving manufacturing industry but early signs of decline was to be seen instead what did they do? Made Britain unpalatable for business by striking. Britain earned a reputation as a country not to do business in and being lazy. The Iron Lady stopped the spiral of destruction, at a heavy cost to all sides. She broke the back of the unions, they had garnered too much power and was a major threat to the country. Even today you can still see shadows and remnants of that power they wielded like a club. If you wanted to see how a strike should have been done then look at Glasgow's Docklands, no violence, no anarchy, just get on with trying to save their livelihoods. The Lady was also also popular with the military, especially for the Falklands where she backed the troops 100%. She had the balls to stand up for what was ours, and you will note no soldier has criticised her for doing what was right even at the high cost of the short war. She was also highly respected by the SAS but that's story for another day. It wasn't all glory for her, she's reviled and hated with a passion in Scotland for the infamous Poll Tax. Something that Labour dreamt up but the Torries got the flak for. Taxes was never going to be popular but she stabbed Scotland in the back by not abolishing it at the same as England. She also created the mess that most Councils are in with the sale of Council Housing leading to a shortage, then again at the time there was few that thought we'd hit the population levels we are at let alone the influx of immigrants into this country. Love or Hate her, you have to admire her. She achieved the rags to riches that few people have the ability to do so. She's done more for this country than any other government since probably Churchill, who like Thatcher, was thrown out to the Wolves once his time was over.



You need to revisit your history a little..she did not do anything for the military other than get them into a war they were ill prepared and equiped for.  The country can be rightly proud that the troops won a severe war, but dig a little deeper and the 100% support you claim diminishes with knowledge of what happened prior and during and after but was not really reported on.  (For example of lack of air support when she was warned on that). 

Also as reported on today, her policy on NI ensured that the troubles lasted a good tens years longer than they should have done.

Just the little things like that which tend to stick in the throat at the end of the day.
Posted 8 April 2013
Edited by stevephot 8 April 2013
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You need to revisit your history a little..she did not do anything for the military other than get them into a war they were ill prepared and equiped for.  The country can be rightly proud that the troops won a severe war, but dig a little deeper and the 100% support you claim diminishes with knowledge of what happened prior and during and after but was not really reported on.  




I think that you ought to revisit your history, she did in fact do a lot for the military, she brought our wages up to levels comparable with civvy street for similar jobs.

I know because I was serving in the Army at the time.
Posted 8 April 2013
Edited by Badger 8 April 2013
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Taken from the Guardian- Jan 2012.

Now she is dead I doubt if many newspapers will publish anything so critical. But I totally agree with the contents.

I cannot forgive her- or forget the hated Poll Tax.





"A state funeral for Thatcher would not be regarded as any kind of national occasion by millions of people, but as a partisan Conservative event and an affront to large parts of the country.

Not only in former mining communities and industrial areas laid waste by her government, but across Britain Thatcher is still hated for the damage she inflicted – and for her political legacy of rampant inequality and greed, privatisation and social breakdown. Now protests are taking the form of satirical e-petitions for the funeral to be privatised: if it goes ahead, there are likely to be protests and demonstrations.

This is a politician, after all, who never won the votes of more than a third of the electorate; destroyed communities; created mass unemployment; deindustrialised Britain; redistributed from poor to rich; and, by her deregulation of the City, laid the basis for the crisis that has engulfed us 25 years later.

Thatcher was a prime minister who denounced Nelson Mandela as a terrorist, defended the Chilean fascist dictator Augusto Pinochet, ratcheted up the cold war, and unleashed militarised police on trade unionists and black communities alike. She was Britain's first woman prime minister, but her policies hit women hardest, like Cameron's today.

A common British establishment view – and the implicit position of The Iron Lady – is that while Thatcher took harsh measures and "went too far", it was necessary medicine to restore the sick economy of the 1970s to healthy growth.

It did nothing of the sort. Average growth in the Thatcherite 80s, at 2.4%, was exactly the same as in the sick 70s – and considerably lower than during the corporatist 60s. Her government's savage deflation destroyed a fifth of Britain's industrial base in two years, hollowed out manufacturing, and delivered a "productivity miracle" that never was, and we're living with the consequences today.

What she did succeed in doing was to restore class privilege, boosting profitability while slashing employees' share of national income from 65% to 53% through her assault on unions. Britain faced a structural crisis in the 1970s, but there were multiple routes out of it. Thatcher imposed a neoliberal model now seen to have failed across the world.

It's hardly surprising that some might want to put a benign gloss on Thatcher's record when another Tory-led government is forcing through Thatcher-like policies – and riots, mounting unemployment and swingeing benefits cuts echo her years in power. The rehabilitation isn't so much about then as now, which is one reason it can't go unchallenged. Thatcher wasn't a "great leader". She was the most socially destructive prime minister of modern times."



Posted 8 April 2013
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I think that you ought to revisit your history, she did in fact do a lot for the military, she brought our wages up to levels comparable with civvy street for similar jobs.

I know because I was serving in the Army at the time.


No she didnt. the big increase of 12% was introduced by Major after the gulf war, which brough the wages to comparable to a traffic warden  I know becuase I was a Pte at the time as part of the AMF(L) Sig Sqn in Bulford.

Throughout her period defence spending was cut (Fact)

Manning was reduced -  180,000 to 125,000

Do I need to go on?

Posted 8 April 2013


seems appropriate today lol
Posted 8 April 2013
Edited by ForumModerator 8 April 2013
anthonyh

The best thing about Thatcher was what she did for 'Spitting Images'.


Spitting Image was immense.

Perhaps the best political satire show ever.  The only competition was Yes Minister/ Prime Minster.

Loved it.

Posted 8 April 2013
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It is almost always sad when any person dies, but the reaction to this event does show how mediafests take off. In reality, for at least the last 10 years she has, essentially, disappeared, and been of little interest to anyone. Now an elaborate funeral and eulogies coming, in many cases from the same people, from her own party, who politically assassinated her when she became a liability and a likely election loser. One wonders how many days, hours? after the pomp and circumstance of the funeral is over she will get much of a mention ever again?

Posted 8 April 2013
She was the following things:
1. A Great Natural Leader.
2. A person with utter belief in what she was doing.
3. Someone with Convictions and is happy to say what she believed and act on it.
4. Someone who was not intimidated
5. Someone who was hard as nails.
6. Someone who took on some vested interests and won.
7. Someone who allowed other vested interests to become too strong.
7. Someone who allowed her views and beliefs to cloud her judgement leading to massive pain for much of the population.
8. Someone who was the architect of her own Downfall with the Poll Tax and Arrogance.
9. A trail blazer.
10. A divisive figure who could not understand many of parts of the population.

She was the last of the real politician in the UK.

Loved or Loathed it does not matter. Has there been a Prime Minister so loved or hated 20 years after they had lost the leadership.



Posted 8 April 2013
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