Three ideas I though could make a change

Three ideas I though could make a change

25 posts
17 April 2014
HowardJ
Photographer
HowardJ
paulbatterbury
Cryptic, how? I that I have given several scenarios of where a models or a photographers could be in a situation after a long period of time and realize they have been deceived and may wish to with draw any comment of feedback to persons in that deception, thus not wishing to give any endorse to them so that others will not fall into the same deception. A deception can happen over a long period of time, months/years and most of the best one do, and most of the time that is best on a person good will. Now I hope you have read the above... the models or photographers part... not ME! why you keep referring to the same things, and think they only concern myself solely suggests you see this concept form a single point of view.
Nope, still not clear... Deceived in what way? If the model turned up, you shot them, they provided the ID and signed the model release (if you remembered to get one) and got the content you wanted, then where's the deception? They did the job you paid them to do, so everyone should be happy.
Posted 17 April 2014
Edited by HowardJ 17 April 2014
dominicdgt
Photographer
dominicdgt
I thought you can edit feedback at any stage, simply go back into account, write feedback and it overwrites the previous details left? Handy if you make a mistake which is often the case with me, but if you know there's a possible future issue that might change your overall impression why not wait 7-10 days each time. It would seem harsh to one min say everything was great then change it later. You could tell those concerned that's how you leave FB so they'd understand your time frames.

Dominic

Posted 18 April 2014
paulbatterbury
Photographer
paulbatterbury
Right I will put it this way, as you are all photographers, I will yet again explain it in a very simply way, so you can understand. You have a shoot, all is good you leave good feedback, and then several months down the line the model or the agent uses those images without your permission, and you are at a lost due to it. When you ask questions, you get no reply or there make out that they where correct in what they where doing, despite that you have the copyright on your images and they been published, printed, edited without you permission or told they where going to be published. This is a deception, you been either lied to or not told, lowering you into a false sense of security, possibly from the very start. Now I know this happens to loads of models and photographers. As you are unable to leave bad feedback, you may wish to remove the good feedback you have left in the past so that you do not endorse these whoever is responsible for the deception. People are normally very nice, happy and smile at you, when they are ripping you off, winning your confidence as part of it, so sure your shoot with them was great, but a few weeks, months or years later when it is evident you been conned. It’s a very simply concept, maybe people are oppressed to it as they fear that other could remove feedback on them. Contracts is this industry, do not work. Everyone is quick enough to say legal, but very few can pay for it. Talk to anyone who was dropped by a certain phone channel a few years back, 30 models axed without question or repercussion.
Posted 18 April 2014
HowardJ
Photographer
HowardJ
Now I understand what you mean. Thank you for explaining.

Posted 18 April 2014
dominicdgt
Photographer
dominicdgt
But months later you can turn feedback from a smiley face to a blue face or update the comments section with more detail which seems as good as a deletion. Maybe people have totally different experiences than you, like "Maybe then, the majority of models will start to leave feedback" has no reflection on all the models I've shot who 100% have left feedback. On the scale of things and the lack of major change in the past 3-4 years here on PS, restructuring the feedback section doesn't feel like a big issue but defo a minefield.

Posted 18 April 2014
stolenfaces
Photographer
stolenfaces
So it's perfectly possible to overwrite your glowing feedback and add your warning that you were 'ripped off' or to explain to the mods and ask for feedback to be removed entirely (probably they would be reluctant to allow negative feedback for what is essentially a business/contract dispute, but I can't see why they would be hostile to removing your feedback if you felt it had become inappropriate).

Most people on this site don't do serious professional work so are mainly interested in whether the model will turn up and work well, so your original feedback on these aspects of your shoot is still relevant to most readers.

Posted 18 April 2014
paulbatterbury
Photographer
paulbatterbury
The reason why many professional don’t venture on to the forum on Purestorm is the fact that some people are EXTREAMLY hard to get though to. Most people all joke about Purestorm, but I always try to remind them that the site is good, it the people on it that are the problem at time. However regarding the statement about lack of professions on the site or it use… you are wrong many professionals or serious people, Models, Photographer, Agents and MUA’s do use Purestorm as a point of contact. I am glad that Howard now understands, but not sooner he does, up pops another who does not It has just taken me 12 hours to explain it, and I fed up of it now, so to summarize. 1) In all of the EXSAMPLES that I have tried to give I use “model" or "photographer” and not “me”. And in my last post I every said that “I know many models and photographer have experience this”. 2) The argument was created about changing “positive” feedback into “negative” and people felt that this could be used as some form of vindictive tool to change feed back at a later date, if they where in a mood to do so. My suggestion is removing the posted feedback altogether resulting in neither positive or negative, a neutral if you like action, as no feedback would be left (at all). 3) Changing a smiling face in to a sad /blue face results in the same argument as above, which we have had. Now if you don't like this idea, that is fine I can deal with that, but having explained this now several times over the past day, read the above, we are talking about "removal" not "modification", I if you can't undstand that... it's really not my problem.
Posted 18 April 2014
HowardJ
Photographer
HowardJ
There was no need for it to take 12 hrs to explain. You could have just explained yourself better at the start.

Posted 18 April 2014
Not sure if it still happens but I remember eagerly leaving feedback for one member after a shoot which I thought had went well.

Photographer didn't live up to their end of the "bargain" and I decided to withdrawal the feedback - I messaged an admin about it and they took the feedback off the photographers page. I didn't change it to a negative, just decided that I would in fact not recommend that photographer to any models.

It wasn't done out of pettiness or anything like that. I have learned though not to be quite so quick at throwing peoples praises since then.

Posted 18 April 2014
skymouse
Photographer
skymouse
I had an occasion when I thought that the communications and the model's basic conduct at the shoot had been in good faith, and I left a positive feedback.

Later, I discovered that her communications and conduct had not been in good faith, to a degree that made it wrong for the original feedback to stand.

I contact admin and requested them to delete the feedback, and, at their discretion, they did so.

Posted 18 April 2014
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