Okay, so Scotland leaves the UK and the rest of the UK leaves the EU

Okay, so Scotland leaves the UK and the rest of the UK leaves the EU

35 posts
10 Jan 2014
Skid2
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Skid2
When I lived in Aberdeen in the 70's I voted SNP as I always hoped that they would push for Independence then.

Now my motives have changed but I still agree they should seek independence and hopefully they would close all the military bases as it is such a trek up to Lossie, Kinloss and Leuchars for the RAF bases and Faslane to see the Atomic subs.

Posted 11 Jan 2014
StreetModel
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StreetModel
If Scotland leaves the UK, I wonder what will happen in the Westminster Government. At the moment, Scottish politicians can influence the laws over England, but laws passed in Scotland are not influenced by English politicians.

If Scotland leaves, 59 MP's leave too, 1 Tory, 17 Lib/Dems and 41 Labour. I wonder how that would effect the next General election??

Posted 11 Jan 2014
mph
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mph
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If Scotland leaves the UK, I wonder what will happen in the Westminster Government. At the moment, Scottish politicians can influence the laws over England, but laws passed in Scotland are not influenced by English politicians. If Scotland leaves, 59 MP's leave too, 1 Tory, 17 Lib/Dems and 41 Labour. I wonder how that would effect the next General election??
Well You have to give the Conservatives credit for not supporting the idea in the circumstances! In fact if there were an English government without Welsh and Scottish influences......
Posted 11 Jan 2014
Andy_B
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Andy_B
StreetModel

If Scotland leaves, 59 MP's leave too, 1 Tory, 17 Lib/Dems and 41 Labour. I wonder how that would effect the next General election??


For the better! cheeky
Posted 12 Jan 2014
cziiki
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cziiki
Chandos
If Scotland and Wales leaves the UK there might be implication for the UK to remain as a veto welding permanent member of the UN.
Indeed the UK was created in Edinburgh by the Act of Union, so if the union broke up there would be no UK. Loyalists in Northern Ireland (mainly of Scottish Protestant descent) are not loyal to England, but to the crown, so would have no reason to want to stay in a rump UK with England. The first pound note was Scottish (under license from the BoE) - the pound is the currency of the Union, not of England, and Westminster has no particular right to claim it should continue to control it when the Union does not exist. Equally England would find it hard to justify remaining in the Security Council, it would be one of the top 4 European nations but Germany or the EU would seem to have much better claim. All the small separatist movements in Europe would get a big boost by a civilised democratic negotiated split - i.e. the world would see you can do it without having a war! - Italy and Germany were both clusters of small states until very recently, who knows if any of those historic city states would see possibilities, specially if Scotland stayed in the EU. The dissolution of the Union would be the beginning of a major series of events. Maybe a back door to peaceful progress towards anarchism! If Scotland prospered, doing its own thing within a social democratic concensus, others would follow. Me, I'd love to be Cornish and have a passport with piskies on every page and cream tea as the national dish.
Posted 12 Jan 2014
StreetModel
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StreetModel
cziiki

I'd love to be Cornish and have a passport with piskies on every page and cream tea as the national dish.


Unfortunately, due to the demographics of Cornwall (most of the population over 45 and hardly any under 30) means that the first pension day, Cornwall would end up on the phone to Wonga for some help!!


Posted 12 Jan 2014
Aberotica
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Aberotica
Scottish MP's have only made a difference in something like two of the general elections since the second world war. Their numbers are so small, they make little or no difference to the overall result.

Posted 12 Jan 2014
SteveSav
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SteveSav
Ask any Scot, do you have a football team-any good? No. do you have a rugby team-any good? No. do you have a cricket team-any good? No. Let 'em get on with it...................
Posted 12 Jan 2014
Andy_B
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Andy_B
Aberotica

Scottish MP's have only made a difference in something like two of the general elections since the second world war. Their numbers are so small, they make little or no difference to the overall result.


In four (or 5 if you include the 1974 hung parliament) there would have been overall Conservative control rather than Labour or coalition.

So you're talking another 20-ish years more overall Conservative rule over the last 60 years (since 1950). Hardly 'little or no difference'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Kingdom_general_elections
Posted 12 Jan 2014
cziiki
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cziiki
SteveSav
Ask any Scot, do you have a football team-any good? No. do you have a rugby team-any good? No. do you have a cricket team-any good? No. Let 'em get on with it...................
Odd how English teams need Scots to manage them then. The rugby team will be good next year, as we explain every year.. And excuse me, you clearly haven't heard of the excellent Scotland XI currently touring New Zealand!
Posted 12 Jan 2014
mph
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mph
cziiki

Odd how English teams need Scots to manage them then. 


They are the only people footballers are scared of!  smiley

Posted 12 Jan 2014
jivago
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jivago
Andy_B

For the better! cheeky


Oh I agree! - Having an excrescence like the Westminster Tories sealed off from Scotland’s affairs, will be like the manhole cover being replaced on a particularly malodorous sewer – 317 years late!
 
Who knows what will happen? Scotland leaves the UK but remains in the EU?; She stays in the UK, but is then dragged out of the EU by Farage, Jenkin and the other Little Ingerlunder's? Interesting dilemma don’t you think?!
 
However, if Scotland does go Indy, I won’t amuse myself watching Little Ingerlunder's, behind there privet hedges disappearing out of the EU and up Bernard Jenkin’s arse – And out into the ‘cold daylight’ of economic oblivion – Nor Baron Von Osborne continuing to **** the economy over, with his house price bubble, consumer borrowing (until after the next election that is) laced with yet more sadistic cuts – Yes it all to come.
 
.......It will be a ‘little ingerlund’ – And a cold and poor one.
 
………..Now! Who would want to be part of that?
 
 
Oicdhe bha


Posted 12 Jan 2014
Andy_B
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Andy_B
jivago

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Typical Scottish bitterness...
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Not only would Scotland be kept out of the EU by our continental friends who are concerned about any presidence it's membership would set... but Salmond's stupid decision to keep the pound would bring the Scots under the influence of English evconomic policy, with no vote or influence to change it. 

Posted 12 Jan 2014
jivago
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jivago
Andy_B

Not only would Scotland be kept out of the EU by our continental friends who are concerned about any presidence it's membership would set... but Salmond's stupid decision to keep the pound would bring the Scots under the influence of English evconomic policy, with no vote or influence to change it. 



Ingerlund does not own the pound - Check out the arrangements. The Eton Toff who represents a massively wealthy 'Cheshire-Set' seat claims a sovereignty he just does not have! It is just as true to say that England would be the subject of Scottish Economic Policy, with no vote to change it.

..Of course common sense would have to ensue with some sort of arrangement.

BTW - Just why would OUR FELLOW EUROPEANS want to keep Scotland out? - 



Posted 13 Jan 2014
cziiki
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cziiki
Andy_B
Not only would Scotland be kept out of the EU by our continental friends who are concerned about any presidence it's membership would set... but Salmond's stupid decision to keep the pound would bring the Scots under the influence of English evconomic policy, with no vote or influence to change it. 
yes, sure, the EU would happily lose all that massive area of fishing waters (and petrochemicals and tidal and wind energy)? Or maybe not. the sterling thing, yes probably that's a bit dodgy, though it's Scotland's currency too and England has no right to try to claim it to itself. The UK is a UNION of countries, Scotland never stopped being a nation with its own laws. The independence issue is not as simplistic as the English press presents it. What Scots really want is 'Devolution taken to the max' but that's not an option in the referendum which was not democratically defined but created by Cameron and Salmond in a wee huddle.
Posted 13 Jan 2014
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