'It can be 50 - 60 or even 70 shoots before you can even think of gett...

'It can be 50 - 60 or even 70 shoots before you can even think of getting paid for work'

33 posts
5 Jan 2014
HowardJ
Photographer
HowardJ
jes
I did one Tf shoot and then started to get paid.  You will find it's the photographers who never want to pay who suggest models undertake lots of Tf shoots before they are worthy of payment.
Yup.
Posted 6 Jan 2014
I started out doing TF shoots when I started modeling, way back in 2005 , I did TF until I felt comfortable that I had gained enough experience to start asking for paid work I think I did about 10/15 shoots TF
Posted 8 Jan 2014
Lisaliz
Model
Lisaliz
Tf can be valuable, but this advice is giving licence for pure exploitation.

Posted 9 Jan 2014
skymouse
Photographer
skymouse
profilepictures

I just saw this somewhere on the site, given as advice to new models.


Whoever made the ridiculous statement quoted in the title is, quite simply, someone trying to fool models into thinking they have to serve out a lengthy TFP "apprenticeship" or "trial" before paid work is feasible.

It is a lie. I repeat: it is a lie. A cruel one, too.

I know models who started getting paid work — for real, bona fide clients — after zero, one or very few shoots.

I gave a ONE YEAR CONTRACT to someone who had NEVER FORMALLY MODELLED IN HER LIFE. That was over 18 months ago; there is a renewed contract which has upped the amount of guaranteed work for her at the guaranteed rate. Thousands of pounds have therefore been committed to someone who approached me as a NEWBY. Why??? How??? Because she suited the job. Oh yeah .... and it should be mentioned that in some spheres, there's a premium on new faces.

Other models I've worked with got their first jobs outside of the Internet Portfolio Site environment, and hence had never even heard of TFP.

In some cases, models may choose to do TFP for some time before charging because they have identified a benefit in doing so or they may just prefer it. Sometimes there may also be a particular style of image they want for getting their portfolio started and TFP with a GOOD photographer (or paying a photographer) may be a fasttrack. This is also obviously reasonable.

Posted 10 Jan 2014
Edited by skymouse 10 Jan 2014
laylarc
Model
laylarc
Just my own experience - I was paid a nominal amount for my first shoot, and my third & fourth shoots were fully paid.

I was fortunate enough to TF with somebody very experienced, who gave me good advice, great photos & didn't bullshit me (Paolo Loraso). Clearly not everyone is so fortunate.

Posted 11 Jan 2014
MikeBee
Photographer
MikeBee
tarmoo
One Kent model did 200 TF shoots up to nude with the same photographer before putting up a casting for paid work. Maybe he kept telling her she was not ready.
I feel so guilty saying that to her but I promise it was so true!
Posted 12 Jan 2014
GemH
Model
GemH
You don't even need to do TF. Agents take you on based on their own snaps of you in the office. Some don't even then put you forward for testing and rely purely on the snaps. And it works. But obviously that isn't really relevant for many here as they don't even want to be represented Although, in terms of "internet modelling", I feel the same applies. If you have the right look, you have the right look regardless of what you shot before. A great example..... I recently got a friend their first modelling job via another site - they had zero experience, and they got paid £100 for 2 hours work. AND they kept their kit on! Wasn't even a commercial job. This friend was even A BLOKE! That is all x
Posted 17 Jan 2014
GemH

If you have the right look, you have the right look regardless of what you shot before. A great example..... I recently got a friend their first modelling job via another site - they had zero experience, and they got paid £100 for 2 hours work. AND they kept their kit on! Wasn't even a commercial job. This friend was even A BLOKE! That is all x

Can I be your friend please
Posted 18 Jan 2014
GemH

If you have the right look, you have the right look regardless of what you shot before. A great example..... I recently got a friend their first modelling job via another site - they had zero experience, and they got paid £100 for 2 hours work. AND they kept their kit on! Wasn't even a commercial job. This friend was even A BLOKE! That is all x

Can I be your friend please
Posted 18 Jan 2014
GemH

If you have the right look, you have the right look regardless of what you shot before. A great example..... I recently got a friend their first modelling job via another site - they had zero experience, and they got paid £100 for 2 hours work. AND they kept their kit on! Wasn't even a commercial job. This friend was even A BLOKE! That is all x

Can I be your friend please
Posted 18 Jan 2014
GemH

If you have the right look, you have the right look regardless of what you shot before. A great example..... I recently got a friend their first modelling job via another site - they had zero experience, and they got paid £100 for 2 hours work. AND they kept their kit on! Wasn't even a commercial job. This friend was even A BLOKE! That is all x

Can I be your friend please
Posted 18 Jan 2014
awomanatwork
Photographer
awomanatwork
jes

I did one Tf shoot and then started to get paid.  You will find it's the photographers who never want to pay who suggest models undertake lots of Tf shoots before they are worthy of payment.


And there's lots of them ... the technical term is 'taking the piss'

Posted 18 Jan 2014
MikeBee
Photographer
MikeBee
.....I'm so confused by all this.How many shoots does a photographer have to do before evening thinking of getting paid for work..?? Please nobody say just one shoot!!
Posted 18 Jan 2014
Bob
Photographer
Bob
MikeBee

.....I'm so confused by all this.How many shoots does a photographer have to do before evening thinking of getting paid for work..?? Please nobody say just one shoot!!


I dare say the majority of photographers on here might never get paid for their photographs no matter how many shoots they do, and this is especially true if they are only shooting models and they do not shoot pornography.

In some ways model photography is a bit like the purchasing of dinner and / or drinks for a young, attractive and single woman on a Friday or Saturday night; one party knows that quite often they will need to pay for the meal / drink while the other party expects as an unwritten rule that their meal / drink will be paid for just because they are young and attractive. Of course occasionally the situation might be reversed, with the pretty young thing picking up the tab, but that is usually the exception rather than the norm.

As models, in the main, are young and attractive women and photographers are, in the main, older men looking to shoot attractive young women, it should not be too difficult to spot the parallels.

Bob
Source: A lifetime of mass observation while either dispensing drinks or propping up the bar on the other side.
Posted 18 Jan 2014
PaulManuell
Photographer
PaulManuell
Bob
In some ways model photography is a bit like the purchasing of dinner and / or drinks for a young, attractive and single woman on a Friday or Saturday night; one party knows that quite often they will need to pay for the meal / drink while the other party expects as an unwritten rule that their meal / drink will be paid for just because they are young and attractive. Of course occasionally the situation might be reversed, with the pretty young thing picking up the tab, but that is usually the exception rather than the norm. As models, in the main, are young and attractive women and photographers are, in the main, older men looking to shoot attractive young women, it should not be too difficult to spot the parallels.
Your analogy is spot on
Posted 18 Jan 2014
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