MPs to get 11% Pay Rise

MPs to get 11% Pay Rise

34 posts
8 Dec 2013
stolenfaces
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stolenfaces
tonycsm
When you get prima donna football players kicking a ball around that earn 20, 30, 40...times the annual wage of MP's and even the PM who have all the responsibility of looking after the country, it somehow puts their wages into perspective. As RC has indicated, it's not the MPs who are seeking wage increases, it's the body in charge of setting their wages suggesting they accept it! 
Surely you should be advocating that MPs could be more efficient and receive performance related pay, I guess IDS would be well into negative territory by now [I realise he's a minister and gets twice as much pay because he is actually in charge of something]. or maybe like footballers they could be officially sponsored with nice little logos on their arms. We could operate a free market in MPs where each person's vote being worth £x and the elected mp gets the money that the electorate think each individual is worth... this would be considerably more sane than the Railways 'free market' What do MPs actually do? mainly turn up and vote when the whips tell them to, how much is that really worth. What actual skills do you need to just do what you're told (by the party, not the electorate). I'm sure they all got first dibs at the Royal Mail sell-off trough and most of the Tories have nice holdings/jobs/consultancies in the companies who are being given lucrative contracts in the NHS sell-off (as revealed in the Guardian - google it!). Were far-eastern betting syndicates really putting money on how many times Osbourne would say 'Difficult decisions' in his autumn statement ? Surely some money to be made there....
Posted 10 Dec 2013
RedChecker
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RedChecker
tonycsm

I'd hate to be a socialist!


+1

We'd all be mindless (& useless) sheep as there'd be no carrot & stick to entice us to better ourselves and no desire to contribute more.
Posted 10 Dec 2013
mph
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mph
stolenfaces

Were far-eastern betting syndicates really putting money on how many times Osbourne would say 'Difficult decisions' in his autumn statement ? Surely some money to be made there....


After the bleeding mess the last lot left............
Posted 10 Dec 2013
tonycsm
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tonycsm
stolenfaces

. or maybe like footballers they could be officially sponsored with nice little logos on their arms. ....


You mean like how the unions sponsor Labour MPs?

Posted 10 Dec 2013
tonycsm
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tonycsm
RedChecker

+1

We'd all be mindless (& useless) sheep as there'd be no carrot & stick to entice us to better ourselves and no desire to contribute more.


Yep! 
From what I've seen of them they are forever bleating on about how terrible things are in this country, how downtrodden and exploited their lot are, how life isn't fair - It must be a thoroughly rotten and miserable existance with all that pent-up bitterness just waiting to be regurgitated at the mere mention of those heinous words "personal responsibility, living within the country's means and of course the word Tory".

What I find particularly curious is that you rarely hear those who don't have left wing leanings living under the same conditions moaning. They just seem to get on with it!

Posted 10 Dec 2013
RupertRudd
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Perfectly happy for MPs to have 11% increase. It may reduce the temptation to overload their expenses. HOWEVER the number of MPs should be halved. My City doesn't need 3 MPs, 1 would be sufficient.

Posted 10 Dec 2013
RedChecker
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RedChecker
Interestingly these greedy c**ts have managed to secure themselves a nice bung on boxing day for doing the job they're contractually obliged to do:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25318482


Considering some of these guys (esp. mainline train drivers) get almost the same as MPs I'd say one of those two occupations is massively underpaid.

Posted 10 Dec 2013
basil
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basil
Can anybody tell me what MP's do? At the moment I'm unable to make an informed decision on the pay rise. We have high unemployment; an economy dependent on a single industry; a housing shortage; a rising national debt and a problem with illegal immigration. We appear to electing people based on their media skills and not their ability to govern effectively. Is their current pay comparable with that of a local news reader?

Posted 15 Dec 2013
mph
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mph
If you want to have an informed opinion about the recommendation (Informed? Whatever next!) you can read the report itself here: http://parliamentarystandards.org.uk/payandpensions/Documents/09.%20MPs%27%20Pay%20and%20Pensions%20-%20A%20New%20Package%20-%20July%202013.pdf The fact that all three party leaders have come out against it indicates it is probably justified as their opposition is clearly based on fear of public reaction rather than logic There are of course other measures about pensions and allowances which will reduce the cost - but don't make good headlines. MPs’ pay will a take one-off hike to £74,000. Ipsa says this is to ‘address the historic shortfall’. This is a 11 per cent rise based on what they’re paid today, or 9.26 per cent on top of a previously announced inflation-linked pay rise. After this, MPs’ pay will track average earnings — going up or down based on what’s going on rest of the country. Less generous pension scheme. The current final salary pension scheme will be discontinued, replaced with one based on career average re-valued earnings (CARE). This is more in line with other parts of the public sector. MPs’ individual contributions to their pensions will also rise. Resettlement (redundancy) payments are scrapped. To be replaced with ‘more modest loss-of-office payments’. This will only be handed out to MPs who contest and lose their seat at a general election. More expenses restrictions. No more free tea and biscuits, or evening meals when Parliament sits late on the taxpayers’ tab. MPs can only claim for taxis when the Commons rises after 11pm, and hotels if the Commons rises after 1am. All of this costs…nothing. Despite the furore over the base pay rise, the reductions in pensions and expenses means the changes will be neutral and cost the taxpayer nothing. Ipsa’s chair Ian Kennedy reminded us today: ‘We have designed these reforms so they do not cost the taxpayer a penny more. When taken with the tens of millions we have saved by reforming the business cost and expenses regime, we have saved the taxpayer over £35 million with the changes we have introduced since 2010.’
Posted 15 Dec 2013
Edited by mph 15 Dec 2013
LaurenceJPower
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I think that people should read past the point about the 11% increase in pay. The point is that their remuneration package, i.e. all the extra benefits that many people get, is NOT increasing, thus all that is happening is that the package is changing shape, I am not sure, but this could actually mean that they get less cash in their hands because they will pay more tax. One thing that I do know, their pension scheme is costing individuals more money, i.e. the cost split is changing to reduce the government (i.e. our) contribution, and increasing theirs, which since they and local government employees are one of the few groups with a decent final salary pension, can only be a good thing.

Many flexible benefit packages operate in this way, you want more holiday, fine you lose a bit of pay, you want more life cover, you lose a bit more pay, choice is up to you.

Posted 15 Dec 2013
mph
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mph
LaurenceJPower
I think that people should read past the point about the 11% increase in pay. The point is that their remuneration package, i.e. all the extra benefits that many people get, is NOT increasing, thus all that is happening is that the package is changing shape, I am not sure, but this could actually mean that they get less cash in their hands because they will pay more tax. One thing that I do know, their pension scheme is costing individuals more money, i.e. the cost split is changing to reduce the government (i.e. our) contribution, and increasing theirs, which since they and local government employees are one of the few groups with a decent final salary pension, can only be a good thing. Many flexible benefit packages operate in this way, you want more holiday, fine you lose a bit of pay, you want more life cover, you lose a bit more pay, choice is up to you.
Oh stop being reasonable!
Posted 15 Dec 2013
Chandos
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Chandos
Not just MPs, there is historic shortfalls in many public sector pay that has not been addressed averaging around 13% for university support staffs. I wish this independent body that asses MPs back pay increase would come and asses other public workers pay. However that is unlikely to happen.

Posted 15 Dec 2013
Edited by Chandos 15 Dec 2013
tonycsm
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tonycsm
Chandos

Not just MPs, there is historic shortfalls in many public sector pay that has not been addressed averaging around 13% for university support staffs. I wish this independent body that asses MPs back pay increase would come and asses other public workers pay. However that is unlikely to happen.


If workers are not happy with their pay in the Public Sector they can always move into the Private Sector!

Posted 15 Dec 2013
Chandos
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Chandos
tonycsm
If workers are not happy with their pay in the Public Sector they can always move into the Private Sector!
Some have and some took second jobs to supplement the shortfall. I'm comparing public sector with public sector, no need to bringing in private sector in your rebuttal. I've worked in the private sector too and I like some of ths ethics of private companies so you can forget the socialist bashing here. I'm all for performance related and more one put in the more one get out. My family has a business for nearly 30years. When I left school in the 80s during the reign of Maggie Thatcher I did'nt join the dole queu like many of my fellow school leavers in the era of high unemployment. I was a computer field service engineer for companies with multi million pound contracts and in those less PC days I was the only none white face and I need to work harder than my colleagues just to be respected as an equal.
Posted 15 Dec 2013
Edited by Chandos 15 Dec 2013
EdT
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tonycsm
If workers are not happy with their pay in the Public Sector they can always move into the Private Sector!
Isn't that a bit like saying "If MPs aren't happy with their pay they can always find another job"?
Posted 15 Dec 2013
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