"Slut"

44 posts
20 Sep 2013
stolenfaces
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stolenfaces
DorsetHammer
Love to know which part of the speech you consider to be racist.
Are you saying his gross exaggeration of immigration numbers and Rumanian shop-lifters is churned out with anything other than to appeal to racists who are dim enough to believe the rubbish he spouts ? In this age of the Internet, it seems that making up 'facts' (or in pre-1984 speak 'lies') are somehow acceptable because they are someone's opinion. Even if he genuinely believes these lies, it doesn't make it true, or an acceptable opinion.
Posted 21 Sep 2013
Sdeve
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Sdeve
stolenfaces
Are you saying his gross exaggeration of immigration numbers and Rumanian shop-lifters is churned out with anything other than to appeal to racists who are dim enough to believe the rubbish he spouts ? In this age of the Internet, it seems that making up 'facts' (or in pre-1984 speak 'lies') are somehow acceptable because they are someone's opinion. Even if he genuinely believes these lies, it doesn't make it true, or an acceptable opinion.
Wow! That's a relief. Of course, given your claim that he has grossly exaggerated the figures he 'quoted' you will have reference to the true figues, which I would be happy to see. More interestingly, your suggestion that even if he believes his figures to be true his opinions, based upoon them, and unacceptable. So, if he believes that "There have been an astounding 27,500 arrests in the Metropolitan Police area in the last five years. 92 per cent of ATM crime is committed by Romanians." that this should go unremarked? Possibly because it mentions race, and that anyone mentioning race must be a racist? It took you a while to respond. Did you have to go and read the speech first, to try and find grunds for your denunciation? Of did you just throw the allegation of racism on the basis he is a member of UKIP, and that is sufficient proof of him being a racist? Until you produce responsibly sourced statistice to 'corret' Farage's statement I, and anyone with sense, can only assume that you are making false claims.
Posted 21 Sep 2013
stolenfaces
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stolenfaces
Sdeve
Wow! That's a relief. Of course, given your claim that he has grossly exaggerated the figures he 'quoted' you will have reference to the true figues, which I would be happy to see. More interestingly, your suggestion that even if he believes his figures to be true his opinions, based upoon them, and unacceptable. So, if he believes that "There have been an astounding 27,500 arrests in the Metropolitan Police area in the last five years. 92 per cent of ATM crime is committed by Romanians." that this should go unremarked? Possibly because it mentions race, and that anyone mentioning race must be a racist? It took you a while to respond. Did you have to go and read the speech first, to try and find grunds for your denunciation? Of did you just throw the allegation of racism on the basis he is a member of UKIP, and that is sufficient proof of him being a racist? Until you produce responsibly sourced statistice to 'corret' Farage's statement I, and anyone with sense, can only assume that you are making false claims.
I had a few minutes waiting for friends in a pub. If you are lazy and gullible enough to think what he said was literally true there's no point in expecting you to understand - that's the sort of ignorance that passes for democracy in this country. You don't need any great intelligence to work out the terms of a google search which can enlighten you (although the basic logic in what he actually said is fairly obviously flawed) Ps: feel free to offer a single credible source (ie not ukip or bnp or tabloid press) source which supports his figures.
Posted 21 Sep 2013
Edited by stolenfaces 21 Sep 2013
Sdeve
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Sdeve
stolenfaces
I had a few minutes waiting for friends in a pub. If you are lazy and gullible enough to think what he said was literally true there's no point in expecting you to understand - that's the sort of ignorance that passes for democracy in this country. You don't need any great intelligence to work out the terms of a google search which can enlighten you (although the basic logic in what he actually said is fairly obviously flawed) Ps: feel free to offer a single credible source (ie not ukip or bnp or tabloid press) source which supports his figures.
OK, I understand you now. Let's get a few things straight. For you, it's a matter of faith. He's UKIP therefore he's racist. You can fling your accusations of racism with impunity, and bridle at any suggestion you might back up you assertions. Trial by denunciation, the leftist liberal way. It used to be sufficient to point at an old woman and scream 'witch' to see her burned. Now, it's anyone who disagrees with your unfounded rantings. Fact, you condemn the speech as racist without evidence. Fact. You decline to offer any supporting evidfence for your damnation of the speech, in spite of your assertion that Google can find it easily, yet you fail to bother yourself. Fact. Your 'racist' assertion is based upon nothing more than a belief in your own bigotry. Fact. Anyone who queries your denunciation is lazy gullible and ignorant. And you offer opinions on dcemocracy? You don't understand the meaning of the word. It's you who challenged the nature of the speech, and you did so with nothing more than sneers. No evidence, no facts, no supporting evidence, no will to prove it was wrong. Instead you expect me to prove the speech correct in detail when all I have done is query your statements. People like you would make Stalin proud.
Posted 21 Sep 2013
Sdeve
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Sdeve
To add to my post, given the antipathy the press has for UKIP, they would be on his speech like dogs on rats if they could prove him wrong. I will await the thunderings of the press, not to mention the opposition (better placed to check his figures) with interest. I doubt they'll be forthcoming.

Posted 21 Sep 2013
tonycsm
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tonycsm
stolenfaces

I had a few minutes waiting for friends in a pub. If you are lazy and gullible enough to think what he said was literally true there's no point in expecting you to understand - that's the sort of ignorance that passes for democracy in this country. You don't need any great intelligence to work out the terms of a google search which can enlighten you (although the basic logic in what he actually said is fairly obviously flawed) Ps: feel free to offer a single credible source (ie not ukip or bnp or tabloid press) source which supports his figures.


Here you are... I reckon Farage got his info from here.... I know it's from the tabloid press but the data was obtained under the freedom of information act so personally I'd think it's reasonable to accept the data as accurate!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9896121/Up-to-one-in-three-Romanians-arrested-figures-show.html
Posted 21 Sep 2013
DorsetHammer
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DorsetHammer
stolenfaces

Are you saying his gross exaggeration of immigration numbers and Rumanian shop-lifters is churned out with anything other than to appeal to racists who are dim enough to believe the rubbish he spouts ? .


I didn't say anything, I wasn't offering an opinion on numbers of immigrants or nationalities of people committing crimes. I asked a question in response to your inference that an MEP was suspended from UKIP to cover up for the leaders racist speech. And I thank you for doing that.
Posted 21 Sep 2013
EdT
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EdT
Wow, I'm shocked!!! I never realised the word "slut" had such unpleasant overtones.

Still it clears up one thing for me. I've spend the last day wondering why he referred to some women as some sort of rag dipped in lard and burned to provide light.

Posted 22 Sep 2013
jivago
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jivago
tonycsm

Here you are... I reckon Farage got his info from here.... I know it's from the tabloid press but the data was obtained under the freedom of information act so personally I'd think it's reasonable to accept the data as accurate!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9896121/Up-to-one-in-three-Romanians-arrested-figures-show.html



The ToryGraph Headline is:-
"Up to one in three Romanians arrested, figures show"
 
Meaningless! - But still very mean indeed!

This type of insinuation will be seen for the 'closet racism' that it thinly disguises - And It will be seen that way - Except by 'Swivel Eyed Loons'

Posted 22 Sep 2013
pompeytog
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pompeytog
jivago

The ToryGraph Headline is:-
"Up to one in three Romanians arrested, figures show"
 
Meaningless! - But still very mean indeed!

This type of insinuation will be seen for the 'closet racism' that it thinly disguises - And It will be seen that way - Except by 'Swivel Eyed Loons'







So you would rather ignore, or even better, ban the media from reporting anything that relates to foreigners who commit crime whilst a guest in this country? 

(just checked in the mirror and not seeing any swivel eyed loon looking back at me)
Posted 22 Sep 2013
ATVLONDON
When I was about 10 I first heard the word c*nt. I was convinced it was a small animal like a stoat / ferret etc. I started using this word widely at everybody until one night after my Mum had called me to have a bath I told her not to be a c*nt. She dragged me off the street in front of my freinds and gave me a right hiding, then my Dad found out and I was in even more trouble.
I was 16-ish and because the word was never badly associated (because I didnt know it unlike sh*t and f*ck which I was taught from a very young age where terrible words children cant use) to me its not even a bad word
Posted 22 Sep 2013
Edited by RattusRock 22 Sep 2013
dominicdgt
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dominicdgt
jivago
The ToryGraph Headline is:- "Up to one in three Romanians arrested, figures show"   Meaningless! - But still very mean indeed! This type of insinuation will be seen for the 'closet racism' that it thinly disguises - And It will be seen that way - Except by 'Swivel Eyed Loons'
UK = One in three men under 30 years of age have criminal records
Posted 22 Sep 2013
jivago
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jivago
pompeytog

So you would rather ignore, or even better, ban the media from reporting anything that relates to foreigners who commit crime whilst a guest in this country? 

(just checked in the mirror and not seeing any swivel eyed loon looking back at me)


Poor ploy - Nothing I wrote could have led you to the question you asked. (As for restricting freedom of speech - The Conservatives stand accused of that this very year sad  ).

If the headline had been more informed, balanced and less sensational - Then there may have been a point. In my expereince that is far too much to expect from the 'Swivel-Eyed's' tabloid? The audience it was aimed at is obvious and the inferences it suggests are quite possibly racist?


How is the weather in 'Dixie'? 'Chowed' your 'grits' yet? 
Posted 22 Sep 2013
stolenfaces
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stolenfaces
DorsetHammer
I didn't say anything, I wasn't offering an opinion on numbers of immigrants or nationalities of people committing crimes. I asked a question in response to your inference that an MEP was suspended from UKIP to cover up for the leaders racist speech. And I thank you for doing that.
Maybe you should have actually read what I said originally then, because that wasn't what I said, in fact the opposite (He was sacked because he took attention away from the racist speech).
Posted 22 Sep 2013
tonycsm
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tonycsm
jivago

The ToryGraph Headline is:-
"Up to one in three Romanians arrested, figures show"
 
Meaningless! - But still very mean indeed!

This type of insinuation will be seen for the 'closet racism' that it thinly disguises - And It will be seen that way - Except by 'Swivel Eyed Loons'



Largely I agree with you for once - well at least with regard to racism and volatile headlines like ' Up to one in three Romanians  arrested ' - while the figures may be accurate, what they  don't  show is whether or not these 'Romanians' were actually found guilty of the crimes for which they were arrested! 
The only way that sort of headline could claim to have any validity is if it could be proven that Romanians living in this country actually commit a disproportionate amount of crime per head of the population as a whole, given their ethnicity. Unless they are proven to be correct, then I agree that the figures are meaningless.

However, one has to ask the question, does this country really need more imported immigrant crime ? For several decades, this country's lax immigration laws have allowed all and sundry to enter the country without proper background checks or controls, unlike other English speaking countries such as Australia, New Zealand, and Canada, so why has Britain failed to do so and more to the point, how can it be stopped?

The mainstream political parties have certainly failed badly when it comes to controlling immigration and it's only now that these same politicians are beginning to sit up and take notice.

While I am not happy to see any form of racism as the basis of politics, there needs to be a voice for the ordinary people to voice their concerns over immigration, EU membership etc and UKIP could possibly be that party, providing of course, it's not founded on racism. Far better to have a party like UKIP  than extremist groups such as the NF or EDL who up to now have been the only groups to speak out for British interests.

Personally I see nothing wrong with putting those who already live in Britain first which seems to be the ethos of UKIP - that should have been done a very long time ago and given the growing popularity of UKIP, it seems that many ordinary people are beginning to think that way too and I believe it's fair to say that most are not racists.

In any case it will be interesting to see just how well UKIP do at the next election though they are unlikely to have any success if their policies are only founded around nationalism - their economic policies are what people really want to see and whether they offer a viable alternative to the mainstream parties.







Posted 22 Sep 2013
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