Peeps, I'm not ignoring you, just busy as I've got allot of photo work to get through, but I appreciate the honest posts here and I'll read every post soon in order to play catch up. After that then I'll give my in depth reply.
But from what I'm reading at the minute, then the problems appears to lye with us togs and not the mods. Don't quote me on this as again I'll give and indepth reply later once I've cached up with you all.
Gaz aka Strober
I am sure everyone has their own views. If I am working with a model it has to be one to one because I am shooting to achieve a specific result and don't wish to have any other distractions. The chemistry build up required negates each individual to relate and focus on the task in hand.
However, I have mentored group shoots at studios with groups of up to six togs and they have been successful I believe. Usually my format is to do a bit of instruction first on the technical, lighting, settings, etc and may be using the model to help with the demonstrations. This has the additional benefit of establishing a rapport between the assembled photographers and the model as well as.
The photographers are given individual time, or may be in pairs, to work with the model, with instruction if required on hand. Those waiting were able to continue to ask questions and come up with some of their own ideas for posing/lighting/etc.
I believe this can lead to some excellent results with some individuality to the images as opposed to the pack of photographers system which usually fails to tick any of the boxes?
I went on one a few years ago... I got just the shots that I was after... Mainly because the shots that I was after were a large group of people with cameras all shooting at once. Got some really good shots of them all.... However just a personal preference but it kind of reminded me of a press job I had about ten years ago photographing Lucy Pinder when there were about 50 press photographers all trying to get the same shot of her. It just leaves you with a headache! A similar feeling to group shoots... But each to their own and I understand some new models and togs do it on here in order to get lots of feedback all at once...
I have been to quite a few! I have enjoyed them a great deal and been lucky enough to make fantastic friends who reappear at the same shoots over the years. I have also worked at wonderful locations which would not normally be available.
The key to success is meticulous organisation involving dance cards. Having said that, there was one sociable relaxed gathering in Southend which worked out well, but people tended to know each other. The main problems for the organisers are excluding what Chrissie Red would describe as arses, and getting models who aren't going to flake. It is extremely hard work for the organisers and will give them grey hairs. It is also completly exhausting for the models! But at best a lot of fun.
Right Boys & Girls, first thing is first please have a look at the above photograph and please also note that this is NOT a Model and instead it's simply just a member of the public that I did shoot whilst I was out doing some Street Photography with another Photographer Alastair Padgett. Likewise if you click on the link below then you will be greeted with my new PDF Document which includes many more of the photographs that I took of just normal members of the public looking but making them look like “Models” at the same time. Note this PDF Document is in my opinion very important to this thread in order for me to get my point across to everyone.
I've had a good read from start to end of all the posts and I have absorbed everything it is that you have all said to me / each other up onto now and from your feedback then it does appear to me that it's not because of “Bad Weather” at all that stops people coming out to group shoots. As you have all clearly stated that the then problems appears to lie with the photographers. Some of your examples are as follows.
1) to many photographers competing for models attention
2) the ratio of tog compared to mod
3) not having enough time to set up lighting / changing the set
4) some togs having an over zealous attitude to the entitlement of which model it is that they work with.
5) Not being able to put in your own creativity to the GS hence you not learning anything.
6) Photographers touching Models up in spite of them being in a public space etc....
So again can we all agree here that the main problem with TF Group Shoots, is that previous “Photographers have giving the whole TF GS thing a bad name”, which sees Models avoid these kind of events ?
My next question is this, can the whole TF GS thing be fixed ? Or would that too just be a complete waste of time in order to do so ?
The reason why I decided to organize my own GS Event is because for me the my photography has hit a very important stage in it's life. This stage being that I have now acquired new skills which now allow me to advance to a higher level than what my photography was originally on before. But in order to get to that higher level then I must be able to produce professional looking images of people in order to get there i.e. hence working with Models etc...
I thought that doing TF GS would be a great way to do achieve all this, well in fact I thought that the whole TF thing was in general. But now I'm not to sure, since Monday (01.07.2013) something happened to me and as now become a complete “game changer”. I went out on a Street Photography shoot with Alistair Padgett in Manchester and when I came home I had over a 100 images of people who could in my books pass off as being “Models”, when in fact they were all simply people going about doing their own business i.e. to work or going shopping or were even having their lunch etc... etc... again if you have not yet seen my PDF document, then I highly recommend that you visit the link above to see what it is that I'm talking about (Some of these “members of the public” look as if they should be in the Next Directory catalogue).
My own personal experience of TF is telling me that it is a complete waste of time in addition to being thankless. Don't get me wrong sometimes TF does work but for me 95% of the time it's a waste of my time and in some cases even the Models time.
Doing the whole Street Photography thing this Monday showed me that it will do 2 very BIG IMPORTANT things for me this is 1) Boost my “CONFIDENCE” with regards to working with complete and utter strangers. 2) Will keep my photographer skills nice and sharp e.g. getting adjusted to working with my kit again as I was getting rusty and forgetting how to operate some of it.
I'm going to look into the whole “Dance Card” side of things but to be honest with everyone then Im' not going to be keeping all my eggs in one basket with that one, because then there is the thankless task of organizing another GS (don't get me wrong, I will be organizing another one, but I'm just not in a rush to do so, I'll plan another one once I've got time to waste .
Right I've rambled on a bit here, so I'll stop but again guys the whole Street Photography game appears to be the answer to helping me get on the next level with regards to my Photography.
Thanks for reading
Gaz aka Strober
PS: Here is a buddy shot of Alistair with his Canon on Monday