scottish referendum

scottish referendum

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14 Sep 2014
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tonycsm

Seems like the SNP and YES supporters only support democracy if it favours their views and will keep lobbying for further referendums until they get the result they want which is quite frankly, an insult to those majority voters who don't want independence for Scotland.
I'll wager if the referendum had reverse voting results whereby the YES campaigners won by the same margin, the SNP wouldn't give the NO campaigners any thought for any further referendums whatsoever!

What you, the YES voters, the SNP  and Salmond are supporting by not accepting the results of the referendum is an insult to the word democracy so please don't insult other people's views just because they don't agree with your agenda!





Tony, I totally accept the results of the referendum.

That doesn't mean we just give up our beliefs, we will continue campaigning and hopefully we will eventually persuade enough people to support us.   That's the way democracy works.

Posted 25 Sep 2014
tonycsm
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Tony, I totally accept the results of the referendum.

That doesn't mean we just give up our beliefs, we will continue campaigning and hopefully we will eventually persuade enough people to support us.   That's the way democracy works.



I'm certainly not against reasoned persuasion with supporting evidence to back up beliefs but you've already had a fully blown referendum with several years in which to prepare your case and the result was that the majority weren't in favour of independence - so what happens if the next referendum again turns up a vote for staying in the Union, do you simply keep having yet more referendums until one comes up with the Nationalists just scraping over the line.... because that's the way it seems to be heading?





Posted 25 Sep 2014
Edited by tonycsm 25 Sep 2014
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tonycsm

I'll wager if the referendum had reverse voting results whereby the YES campaigners won by the same margin, the SNP wouldn't give the NO campaigners any thought for any further referendums whatsoever!



Which is the exact point that I was making in my post.

Posted 25 Sep 2014
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tonycsm

I'm certainly not against reasoned persuasion with supporting evidence to back up beliefs but you've already had a fully blown referendum with several years in which to prepare your case and the result was that the majority weren't in favour of independence - so what happens if the next referendum again turns up a vote for staying in the Union, do you simply keep having yet more referendums until one comes up with the Nationalists just scraping over the line.... because that's the way it seems to be heading?







We can't just keep having referendums without a mandate to do so.  If the SNP put it in their manifesto then people can vote against them.  But if people vote for them then the mandate exists.  There are a couple of scenarios right now that justify another referendum

1. If the promised new powers don't come.

2. If an in/out EU takes us out the EU and Scotland votes overwelmngly to stay in the EU.

Posted 25 Sep 2014
DJ200
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As Scotland remains part of the UK, how would they get a separate voice on whether they want to be in the E.U? As part of the UK, they would surely have to follow what the majority of the UK vote for?

As has been said, they had their referendum, the majority voted to remain in the UK..end of story I assumed.
Posted 25 Sep 2014
Edited by DJ200 25 Sep 2014
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[qt][author]DJ200[/author] As has been said, they had their referendum, the majority voted to remain in the UK..end of story I assumed.[/qt] Look - if I ask you a question and get the wrong answer - I'll ask you again and again until you learn!
Posted 25 Sep 2014
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LOL

Posted 25 Sep 2014
DJ200
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Lol..yep..that seems about right.
Posted 25 Sep 2014
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It was always best out of 3 wasn't it? The truly disgusting bit of Salmond's post event performances have been the total negation of any language of reconciliation or acceptance of the decision. Salmond's rhetoric, prior to the result was "for a generation" or a " lifetime" but that was, of course, only if the result was in his favour, subsequently, the result, in Salmond's term is "for now".
The best, for Scotland's and the rest of us is for Salmond and his arrogance to be ignored henceforth.

Posted 25 Sep 2014
This thread is hilarious on so many different levels - Nice one guys
Posted 26 Sep 2014
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This thread is hilarious on so many different levels - Nice one guys
Some of the stuff i,ve read on this and other forums......i,m in Scotland just now and the vibe i,m getting is that there are more than a few no voters now wishing they had voted yes. So many lies, so many manipulated figures, so many half truths...
Posted 27 Sep 2014
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IainT

Some of the stuff i,ve read on this and other forums......i,m in Scotland just now and the vibe i,m getting is that there are more than a few no voters now wishing they had voted yes. So many lies, so many manipulated figures, so many half truths...


Are you trying to say they honestly expected things to change literally overnight?
Posted 27 Sep 2014
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Are you trying to say they honestly expected things to change literally overnight?
What I see is real, genuine despair amongst the yes voters, particularly the younger ones and no sense of victory amongst the no,s. I think one of the main reasons a no vote was returned was because there was some (mistaken obviously) impression that a yes vote would make scotland independant overnight and would cause problems over currency, the euro etc, etc. When in reality there would be several years to sort these issues. So, most people who thought about it would realise there would be gradual change, the problem is a lot of people didn,t actually think about it and were influenced by the scaremongering by the UK Government and press. One thing that has become clear to anyone who has the intelligence to see beyond the bullshit is that the UK establishment were literally shitting themselves about the prospect of a No result which makes it abundantly clear that losing scotland would really **** the UK financially.
Posted 28 Sep 2014
diipii
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Exactly why did Scotland want the referendum ?

Posted 28 Sep 2014
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Why the surprise about calls for yet another referendum? There was all the signs from so many of the Yes voters that they would not accept a No vote and that the fight would continue, and to Hell with democracy. Given the financial damage that this continuing Yes/No saga will be doing to the "UK" as a whole, particularly due to potential investors being put off due to the uncertainty of whether or not there will actually be a "UK" in the foreseeable future - I think it's time someone asked the English what they wanted. I daresay there'll be more than a few who are heartily sick of hearing the Scottish whining and decide to go it alone.

Historically, the Scots have never got on with each other, and have always had the English to use as a rallying focus point - after all, the English have oppressed the Scots for centuries, my 9 year old Dundee based Scottish nephew told me a while back. Apparently his teacher told him so it must be true. When they're "free" from oppression they may well find that having isn't half as much fun as wanting - especially when the oil runs out, as it will.

Personally I don't much care either way, as our plan is to retire to Australia, but if the message that "Better Together" hasn't sunk in after 300 odd years then it probably never will. It's not entirely fanciful to see a split right down the middle of Scotland that neither side will be able to overcome, and the damage that the SNP and the odious Salmond and Sturgeon partnership has caused will last for generations to come.

Scotland leaving the UK is inevitable unless the one-trick-pony SNP is stopped by the voters of Scotland. Once that happens, don't expect a political party who have openly said that they won't allow democracy to get in the way of their aims to relinquish power. Scotland in or out, either way there is turmoil ahead for the UK for many many years.

Posted 28 Sep 2014
Edited by Jackass 28 Sep 2014
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