Baroness Thatcher (retitled)

Baroness Thatcher (retitled)

348 posts
8 April 2013
Flyingphotographer
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The seventies were blighted by the trade unions waiting for winter and then coming out on strike at it's heart. Holding the country to ransom for ANNUAL pay rises of up to 36% ABOVE inflation. This was the likes of Scargill and co. And they bled us dry. We were bankrupted by them. And then the Winter of Discontent happened. And they ALL came out. Miners, power workers, transport workers; even funeral directors, everything tied into the TGWU came out. The entire country was a ruin. Rubbish not collected for months, rats everywhere. And the unions laughed, and brought down Callaghan's Labour Government. And Thatcher stood up at the General Election and made ONE SIMPLE PROMISE. Elect me. And THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. ELECT ME AND I WILL DESTROY THEM. She won a landslide. On that promise.And she became the last elected Prime Minister to actually hold true to her election promise. She did exactly what she said. She utterly destroyed the unions. Obliterated them. The cost was those industries. We knew that would be the price. But we would not allow them to hold us to ransom again. What she did, she did with our BLESSING. The socialists and people who backed those strikes have only themselves to blame for what happened. Baroness Thatcher didn't destroy those industries and communities for fun or as part of a class war. She did it to stop them holding the country to ransom again. And then she held the purse strings tight and re-built the economy and the country and Britain again stood tall and thrived. And we won back the global respect we had lost while the left wing ruled. In the Falklands we were thankful for her being in office. Those of us who went 'south' in '82 did so knowing we had a leader who would not - and did not- interfere. She sent the military and allowed us to do our job. Gave us the money, the equipment and most of all THE FREEDOM to get the job done. Our lands had been invaded. We had a gun up our nose. SHE led us. Frankly Thatcher took a very broken Britain by the hand like a strict old fashioned Matron and LED THE COUNTRY BACK TO WHERE IT HAD ONCE BEEN. We were the worlds 3rd major power in ALL respects. And as for the world, it has NEVER been safer than when Thatcher was in Downing Street, Reagan was in the White House and Gorbachev was in the Kremlin as the three spoke DAILY. They laid the ground for the fall of the Berlin Wall. The Russians were TERRIFIED of her. And the world again feared Britain. And lets not forget that she gave people the full right to buy their own council property. Her vision was that the TENNANT and the tennant alone could buy that property.As soon as her party stabbed her in the back the feeding frenzy began as under her the famous Tory grandee greed was held in check. So they stabbed her, led by the europro traitor ponce Heseltine - who didn't have the guts to face her openly and alone - they arranged her removal. And we have been a broken patsy for europe ever since. So yes, tonight I will celebrate the death of Baroness Thatcher, with thanks, with respect, and with sadness, because she allowed me to know what we could be, what we could achieve, what it meant to be BRITISH

Posted 10 April 2013
DorsetHammer
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stolenfaces

In the 70's people generally had jobs (remember 'Labour isn't working' advert at 1979 election - that was because people were outraged at there being ONE million people unemployed) by 1990 there were FOUR million unemployed (many of them were put on to disability benefit to massage the figures). That was Thatcher's 'sucess'. Bob Crowe's pay is obviously relevant to your puerile and simplistic attitude to unions. Why do multinationals make British workers redundant before those in German and French plants - because they have Unions and Labour laws in those countries.


Italy and Germany are the only countries in Europe with more union members than the UK - with regards to employment law EU Directives have made employment law pretty much the same across the EU.
Posted 10 April 2013
anthonyh
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DorsetHammer

Italy and Germany are the only countries in Europe with more union members than the UK - with regards to employment law EU Directives have made employment law pretty much the same across the EU.


That would be nice if it were true...but it isn't. Most UK employment law is specific to us and only incorporates some EU directives and those requirements relating to human rights. They are pretty minimal in the main and only provide a framework to negotiate contracts of employment and related policies.

What is more interesting is the German labour  laws and TU arrangements were pretty much dictated to them by the British after WW2 and in the main they still have them...but don't seem to have the employee / employer conflicts that occure in the UK. It might be something to do with employees being on the board of directors in German companies and a limit on the gap between the highest and lowest salary in an organization.

I wonder if the UK is third...I never thought about our 'ranking'...but I do know that UK union membership has risen dramatically in the last two years....according to the TUC audits.
Posted 10 April 2013
DorsetHammer
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anthonyh

That would be nice if it were true...but it isn't. Most UK employment law is specific to us and only incorporates some EU directives and those requirements relating to human rights. They are pretty minimal in the main and only provide a framework to negotiate contracts of employment and related policies.

I wonder if the UK is third...I never thought about our 'ranking'...but I do know that UK union membership has risen dramatically in the last two years....according to the TUC audits.


You can find EU Trade Union membership figures on line - we are behind Italy and Germany.

Re Employment Law the same redundancy laws apply in both Germany and the U.K. The main reason for companies moving abroad over the last decade has been our higher rates of Corporation Tax which the coalition are determined to reduce. 


Posted 10 April 2013
DorsetHammer
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stolenfaces

I guess the service at St Paul's won't be including Ghost Town or Shipbuilding which are the songs that sum up what Thatcher stood for. 


I did hear that Rod Stewart was going to be singing but somebody has objected to the service starting, "Wake up Maggie I think I've got something to say to you."


Posted 10 April 2013
pompeytog
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The vitriolic "I spit on your grave" remarks about Thatcher that are being found all over the place, the celebration of her death, are things I find quite remarkable. Compared with Tony Bliar she was a perfect saint. He wrecked the economy of this country selling our tomorrows to buy his todays. The man is a mass murdering war criminal who is a traitor to the working class, his party, and his country. He even put his God on hold until he had finished his machinations to dump the problems on his gurning fool of a deputy. He is making millions in safety while the wreckage of this country goes down the pan. Thatcher's policies were so bad that when Labour got in they reversed all of her policies. Well, no, they didn't, did they. When Bliar chose to rename the party 'New Labour' he should have been more honest and called it "New Tories". Bliar's subsequent success was due in no small measure to the fact that the Conservatives could not cope with being turned into the left wing. This outpouring of bile is nothing more than the reverse of what happened with Princess Diana's funeral. Public hysteria of the proles, with as little justification. P.S. Someone mentioned ID cards. Those of you that have a driving licence, take it out and examine it. There is nothing on the small card that could not be printed on the big sheet, and yet you are required to produce both at any time a driving licence needs to be seen. The small card is an ID card people. Just waiting in the wings for the right moment.








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Posted 10 April 2013
pompeytog
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The seventies were blighted by the trade unions waiting for winter and then coming out on strike at it's heart. Holding the country to ransom for ANNUAL pay rises of up to 36% ABOVE inflation. This was the likes of Scargill and co. And they bled us dry. We were bankrupted by them. And then the Winter of Discontent happened. And they ALL came out. Miners, power workers, transport workers; even funeral directors, everything tied into the TGWU came out. The entire country was a ruin. Rubbish not collected for months, rats everywhere. And the unions laughed, and brought down Callaghan's Labour Government. And Thatcher stood up at the General Election and made ONE SIMPLE PROMISE. Elect me. And THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. ELECT ME AND I WILL DESTROY THEM. She won a landslide. On that promise.And she became the last elected Prime Minister to actually hold true to her election promise. She did exactly what she said. She utterly destroyed the unions. Obliterated them. The cost was those industries. We knew that would be the price. But we would not allow them to hold us to ransom again. What she did, she did with our BLESSING. The socialists and people who backed those strikes have only themselves to blame for what happened. Baroness Thatcher didn't destroy those industries and communities for fun or as part of a class war. She did it to stop them holding the country to ransom again. And then she held the purse strings tight and re-built the economy and the country and Britain again stood tall and thrived. And we won back the global respect we had lost while the left wing ruled. In the Falklands we were thankful for her being in office. Those of us who went 'south' in '82 did so knowing we had a leader who would not - and did not- interfere. She sent the military and allowed us to do our job. Gave us the money, the equipment and most of all THE FREEDOM to get the job done. Our lands had been invaded. We had a gun up our nose. SHE led us. Frankly Thatcher took a very broken Britain by the hand like a strict old fashioned Matron and LED THE COUNTRY BACK TO WHERE IT HAD ONCE BEEN. We were the worlds 3rd major power in ALL respects. And as for the world, it has NEVER been safer than when Thatcher was in Downing Street, Reagan was in the White House and Gorbachev was in the Kremlin as the three spoke DAILY. They laid the ground for the fall of the Berlin Wall. The Russians were TERRIFIED of her. And the world again feared Britain. And lets not forget that she gave people the full right to buy their own council property. Her vision was that the TENNANT and the tennant alone could buy that property.As soon as her party stabbed her in the back the feeding frenzy began as under her the famous Tory grandee greed was held in check. So they stabbed her, led by the europro traitor ponce Heseltine - who didn't have the guts to face her openly and alone - they arranged her removal. And we have been a broken patsy for europe ever since. So yes, tonight I will celebrate the death of Baroness Thatcher, with thanks, with respect, and with sadness, because she allowed me to know what we could be, what we could achieve, what it meant to be BRITISH








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Posted 10 April 2013
pompeytog
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DorsetHammer

The bills that Parliament passed during the Thatcher years had nothing to do with stopping people earning a decent living or stopping the improvement of the lives of the working class. The bills were passed to to do the following 1) abolish the closed shop  2) introduce compulsory elections for union officials and introduce the secret ballot which removed the old 'hands up' style of meetings where if you didn't put your hand up you were called scab and intimidated  3) banning secondary picketting   4) remove the system of illegal immunity which had meant that unions were not liable for any damage caused to property by their membes during strikes.

Now given that we live in a democracy I would have thought that the passing of 1, 2 and 3 were a given - in fact many union members supported these changes and the 4th point should really be common sense. 

It's worth noting, for anybody interested, that in the six months prior to the General Election the Labour party saw a 25% swing against it in the polls caused primarily because the public were fed up with Unions dicatating the economic policy of the country - even Jim Callaghan complained in February 1979 that there was little he could do.






Exactly.
Posted 10 April 2013
The thought of Russia shaking in its boots fearing Britain I truly laughable. In Berlin we were ( 1 Bde) surrounded by 30 armoured divisions, 1 motorised army and goodness know how many foot soldiers. That's before they even tried to nuke us.

You make it sound as if she saved the world, the woman at the end thought she was the queen she was so deluded. They will be putting her up for sainthood next.

They had to turn off the online webcams in George Square in Glasgow - because of the parties that broke out at the news of her death.

She ripped communities apart - too high a price to pay no matter what you were trying to achieve.

All the pay rises she gave to the military and police are being pulled back now by Cameron - with wage freezes and years of extra pension payment etc.

She did give us Disability living allowance - Cameron ripped that up as well. We used to have industry, that the tax payer owned - you know we bought it with our "taxes". How can you sell something back to us that we already owned?

I remember the Falklands as well - she ordered the sinking of an old ww2 warship that was sailing away from the islands - nobody disputes that now. Before that she was so disliked she had no chance of being re-elected. Nothing like a war to boost your popularity - unless you lose of course.

History will not be kind to her.

Posted 10 April 2013
Chandos
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She lost all of Hong Kong when she was only required to hand back 70% of the territory. Apparently after her Falkland triumph she went to China and tried to pick on an 80 year old man barely 4ft tall. She emerged from the meetings and collapsed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh1N1GIYxDw

When she return home she put up VAT on takeaways, many chippies went out of business. Whether it is true or not many in the Chinese community till this day say it was Thatcher's revenge for her humiliation in China by Chairman Deng who threaten to bomb her into oblivion amongt other things that was lost in official translation.


Posted 10 April 2013
tonycsm
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tonycsm
Thatcher didn't close down British industries...she sinply took away the unsustainable state funding which up to that point had kept them running - if those industries had been even remotely viable, they would have managed without state subsidies and still be here today!

Thatcher's policies were bound to prove unpopular in certain quarters as they burst the bubble of so many who up to that point and to a greater extent still believe today that this country owes them a living!

Posted 10 April 2013
carshaltonkev
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tonycsm

Thatcher didn't close down British industries...she sinply took away the unsustainable state funding which up to that point had kept them running - if those industries had been even remotely viable, they would have managed without state subsidies and still be here today!

Thatcher's policies were bound to prove unpopular in certain quarters as they burst the bubble of so many who up to that point and to a greater extent still believe today that this country owes them a living!



CORRECTION. It was the strict monetarist policies she blindly followed put these industries out of business. Please ask any economist. But did she care? No! She thought industry was the past. 
Posted 10 April 2013
Tony, you mean like those non profit making companies; gas, electric, oil, BT etc

Posted 10 April 2013
tonycsm
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tonycsm
carshaltonkev

CORRECTION. It was the strict monetarist policies she blindly followed put these industries out of business. Please ask any economist. But did she care? No! She thought industry was the past. 


By strict monetarist policies don't you mean she cut off the massive funding/subsidies to these industries?

Could you also tell me which of the industries which went to the wall around that time were actually self-funding and  profitable?



Posted 10 April 2013
tonycsm
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tonycsm
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Tony, you mean like those non profit making companies; gas, electric, oil, BT etc


Did they close?

Posted 10 April 2013
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