Back at work! Why is it so quite?

Back at work! Why is it so quite?

22 posts
17 March 2017
Victoria_Howard
Make Up Artist
Victoria_Howard
Just a quick hi to everyone. I am now back at work, after a LONG period of illness. 

Why is it so quite on here? 

Posted 17 March 2017
redbaron
Photographer
redbaron
It has been quiet for a while now. At least on the forums. I think most of those who like to talk the talk are in the other place. Anyhow welcome back. With any luck you have chosen the right time as we are told an update is in the pipeline. Taking longer that expected but then they always do.

Posted 17 March 2017
atumeda
Photographer
atumeda
I had prepared a nice and long answer and wrote some proper ideas how to get rid of silence here ... It works and it is kind of easy ...

took me a while for the text, and then its now cooking time, so go to the kitchen here and then, and go on with the text. Then, finally, all done ... click send

Text lost, I got logged out, cannot even go back, all gone.

Not Helpful guys. So, If someone plans a longer text, post it after the first sentence. And then edit it.

I am not writing all that again unless someone asks me fine and with at least a lolli pop at hand


Posted 18 March 2017
Rawandthecooked
Photographer
Rawandthecooked
This place died. Didn't you get the invite to the funeral? There is talk of re-birth, just don't hold your breath!

Posted 18 March 2017
atumeda
Photographer
atumeda
ok, ill try again. Can Purestorm be accessed via app on a mobile phone? Can the wonnabe models use their phone to send their miniclip around like on in... gram? Singing to a rubbish melody "make me to a model please" ... Do they get a "like" for their effort? Or at least a bunch of followers? Why should they show their profile or this style Purestorm to their friends? Hey I am on Purestorm... Oh, I saw ... meh Its just business here, yes, for this is all around. But not for phone fun. So, make an app., just for fun. With a kind of competition and reward ... And from there, somewhere, access to this site, for the more clever ones.., and of course a chance for photographers to contact these "models" behind the clips (link to the profile). Thats not possible on this sites, so, here is yours. Hey I got some hot shots of me, and a clip, like me please ... Where? On the PS app ... there
Posted 24 March 2017
redbaron
Photographer
redbaron
atumeda

ok, ill try again. Can Purestorm be accessed via app on a mobile phone? Can the wonnabe models use their phone to send their miniclip around like on in... gram? Singing to a rubbish melody "make me to a model please" ... Do they get a "like" for their effort? Or at least a bunch of followers? Why should they show their profile or this style Purestorm to their friends? Hey I am on Purestorm... Oh, I saw ... meh Its just business here, yes, for this is all around. But not for phone fun. So, make an app., just for fun. With a kind of competition and reward ... And from there, somewhere, access to this site, for the more clever ones.., and of course a chance for photographers to contact these "models" behind the clips (link to the profile). Thats not possible on this sites, so, here is yours. Hey I got some hot shots of me, and a clip, like me please ... Where? On the PS app ... there


You cannot make an ap for the site and if you are on the other popular site you will know full well they don't have one either. Apple will not allow anything in the way of an ap remotely 'adult' related and like it or not that is how these sites are seen.

Yes it needs to be more mobile friendly but I rather assume that is part of what Matt is working on at the moment. Again PP is not that brilliant either as far as I am concerned with pop ups that if triggered then block the screen and refuse to go away. The biggest problem with this site at the moment ispeople like you and this is a perfect example. A model comes back to say hi I'm back looking for work and instead of welcoming her you come on whinging and moaning about things that have little relavance to the thread. Hardly the sort of thing that is going to encourage new membership if seen.

The site is looking a little tired, though not as bad as some others by any means but Matt has already said this is being addressed. Yes it is taking quite a bit longer than he forecast but unfortunately that is not at all uncommon in web design. With a site like this it is not about just swapping a wordpress theme out then boasting you are a web developer. I would much rather see a fully finished site go up than the debacle with ModelMayhem for example where  a new front end was cobbled on in a burst of trumpets and things to come. Followed by bugger all.

The real issue with this site is not so much the design as the attitude of too many of those who post here. It seems for every person who posts wanting to lighten the mood and get some community spirit back there are three boors who have nothing better to do with their time than carp and complain. No wonder a few of them have been thrown off other sites if all they ever posted was a stream of negativity.

Matt can do so much but if the site is to move on once the revamp has taken place then there needs to be a more positive attitude from members too.
Posted 25 March 2017
Edited by redbaron 25 March 2017
lensman100
Photographer
lensman100
Maybe people will be less negative when they see reasons to be positive??? If there are any left by then....

Posted 25 March 2017
Bob
Photographer
Bob
Victoria_Howard

Why is it so quite on here?

Hi Victoria,
Great to see you back.

The whole scene has changed massively since you, LaylaRC and myself were invited to sit down with Matt in Aldo's trattoria in Soho to both discuss possible ways of further developing Purestorm from the perspectives of working professionals (MUA, Model/ Actress/ Presenter, and Photographer) and see if there were ways we could help contribute based on our experience.

The subsequent relatively fast demise of the Lads Mags, which orginally made glamour modelling without the need for excessive nudity acceptable, has done the scene no favours and has contributed to sites like this becoming quieter.

Unfortunately, with the exception of a few high profile models who have continued to profit, the UK scene change does not appear to have boded well for this and similar portfolio websites.

To the aspiring model, Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat and Instagram (and next week's fashionable new kid on the block) can give them instant 'love' and thousands of 'friends' to boost their self esteem, without them having to actually do much modelling, so this type of portfolio website probably offers limited appeal.

As many new models, which sites like this depend on for their lifeblood,  are like tulips or butterflies who explode on the scene in an initial burst of colour but never last long, maybe the social networking scene is actually the best place for them and those of us who were around at the start of the boom should just readjust to a smaller pool of more committed people to work with.

Bobkiss
Posted 25 March 2017
Edited by Bob 25 March 2017
pompeytog
Photographer
pompeytog
redbaron

You cannot make an ap for the site and if you are on the other popular site you will know full well they don't have one either. Apple will not allow anything in the way of an ap remotely 'adult' related and like it or not that is how these sites are seen.

Yes it needs to be more mobile friendly but I rather assume that is part of what Matt is working on at the moment. Again PP is not that brilliant either as far as I am concerned with pop ups that if triggered then block the screen and refuse to go away. The biggest problem with this site at the moment ispeople like you and this is a perfect example. A model comes back to say hi I'm back looking for work and instead of welcoming her you come on whinging and moaning about things that have little relavance to the thread. Hardly the sort of thing that is going to encourage new membership if seen.

The site is looking a little tired, though not as bad as some others by any means but Matt has already said this is being addressed. Yes it is taking quite a bit longer than he forecast but unfortunately that is not at all uncommon in web design. With a site like this it is not about just swapping a wordpress theme out then boasting you are a web developer. I would much rather see a fully finished site go up than the debacle with ModelMayhem for example where  a new front end was cobbled on in a burst of trumpets and things to come. Followed by bugger all.

The real issue with this site is not so much the design as the attitude of too many of those who post here. It seems for every person who posts wanting to lighten the mood and get some community spirit back there are three boors who have nothing better to do with their time than carp and complain. No wonder a few of them have been thrown off other sites if all they ever posted was a stream of negativity.

Matt can do so much but if the site is to move on once the revamp has taken place then there needs to be a more positive attitude from members too.



Well said sir
Posted 25 March 2017
AndyGStudios
Photographer
AndyGStudios
Doesn't pay to talk much or air opinion these days [forums / all sites]... too many people who think they're it... clique members who slate people and shove around their superiority like they are walking around with a penny tightly clenched in their ass. Plus, people you write to anyway, rarely respond unless money (usually more than reflects their experience) is involved, so there's a level of apathy too.

Group shoots and studio days seem to be where it's at now, despite the decline in studios; the 1 on 1 thing is fast becoming a fading memory. The 'scene' feels like... keeping ya head down, maintaining a quiet'ish presence, and hoping for better days.

Posted 26 March 2017
Edited by AndyGStudios 26 March 2017
redbaron
Photographer
redbaron
I'm not sure I am quite as pessimistic as Bob, certainly where I have needed paid models there have been ample responses from good quality contenders. That said I do no do that very often so have not tested the limits of the pool I guess.

I do get the impression there is less in the way of models willing to shoot just for the 'experience' and a few photos but I'm not entirely sure that is a bad thing. They have simply got wise to the TFP circus ringmasters who would convince them they will get nowhere without serving time doinf free shoots. Only for the model to discover nobody is interested in paying for services someone else has got for free. Particularly if the free shoots are poor quality anyhow.

The sad thing is we have also lost those models who did simply want to do it for fun and to create something artistic or different. Genuine artistic collaborations and very hard to arrange now. Spoilt I fear by the level pushers and those too ignorant to uphold there side of the bargain. That is a deep shame

Anyhow welcome back Victoria. I know Matt is working on the upgrade hard and I am sure it will be worth waiting in the end. Ultimately however whether it makes a difference is down to people on this site. A new design will create a stir and through sheer curiosity a lot of people will come back to take a look. If they are welcomed and the site can develope its own distictive feel again there is no reason why it should not recover at least to a level where it is worth popping in for a chat and to look for people to work with again.

Posted 26 March 2017
Nemesis
Photographer
Nemesis
Welcome back Victoria....
When I first joined this site was great for amateur models who I could just try a few things out with TFP, It does seem to have changed, One I don't get as much abuse from other way up themselves photographers who are experienced and like to just put everyone down, be arrogant and disappear up their own arse regularly.
Seems now though even though less abuse there seems to be a drought of TFP amateurs, I was contacted the other day by an Amateur model, absolute mess (Vicky Pollard type) asking for work, I offered TFP, she declined and demanded a huge fee, to be fair I wouldn't have used her for anything, lovely models on here and have stayed friends with a few, but this was a mess.

Seems Amateurs whether good or bad no experience want to charge.. Done a few shoots for a few people for purely their use but as a model photographer I would consider myself an amateur, My specialty is in other areas, I would not consider charging for my time until I got to the standard of some of the superb modelling photographers on here.. Times have changed, If you want a decent practice model TFP go on Facebook and in the local selling sites, full of desperate single women looking for a bit of excitement, getting dressed up and having a few photos just does it for a lot of them...
Posted 26 March 2017
Edited by Nemesis 26 March 2017
AndyGStudios
Photographer
AndyGStudios
There is a small caveat to that mind, they promise you a shoot, then talk you into covering their kids party first, or some birthday or other... which you do in good faith, then they don't show. You later find out they've rung round getting prices, and settled on Mr Gullible cos it's free init TF or so they got told or read. Or they want a shoot, which you do, only to find out the pics can never see the light of day by request... the lady gets her dream shoot, you get nothing of value in return other than the joy of providing hours of work for chuff all in the end. The word is out on TF, and finding paid work as a photographer is getting harder and harder; magazines are on it, newspapers are on it, fashion houses are on it... and it's always payment by credit, or i'll tell my friends, or i'll put your card in the window... or some other form of pay off that may even be costing someone other than them. I don't give these people the time of day... they don't respect there are bills to be paid, so I don't respect them right back. In the end they will probably do it on their phone anyway. Public beauty portraits have given way for the most part by the selfie et al, and everyone who owns a camera in some form, calls themselves a photographer - owning one, and knowing how to use one are two completely different things; but try explaining that to Joe public. Rich types that would rather have a pro 8x10 ft print on their wall will probably call you, or those wanting their weddings done for £50... (and you should, cos you're better than that guy down the road... and he said he would if you don't) but that's about it these days unless you can flood micro-stock sites for a pittance return. Put things online and some grimy phukka finds a commercial use for it without asking, or spreads it round instagram claiming they need your donations to keep collecting and posting... "THEY CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT YOU" allegedly. One way or another we get screwed over in the end, there's always someone making money from your work, making some of us question if it's even worth doing in the current climate. Good lucking making any yourself mind. Alt used to be a niche, now it's mainstream - not my thing at all. Doesn't leave much does it... and don't get me started on models leaving the scene on grounds of safety because of touchy feely togs. And the good ones, get looked at like pervs... or we're expected to ask now if we want topless, or nude, or adult, like it's the only thing people shoot. In short it's getting a bad rap, and a bad rep. Some photographers don't help matters either by showing up, doing a shoot, and don't provide images. *shakes head slowly in disbelief* now wonder the world is jaded against us, and why people insist we pick up every cost involved. It's all on the decline in one form or other. And I don't think we've hit the bottom just yet, when we do, i'm hoping for something of a bounce. I'm going out for a walk... I may be some time Get some air, count to ten. Speen vented /rant over... sorry.
Posted 26 March 2017
Edited by AndyGStudios 26 March 2017
Nemesis
Photographer
Nemesis
AndyGStudios
those wanting their weddings done for £50.


Lost track.........

Posted 26 March 2017
AndyGStudios
Photographer
AndyGStudios
... not at all surprised

Posted 26 March 2017
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