PC to Mac - considering the switch

PC to Mac - considering the switch

27 posts
4 March 2016
darrinhenry
Photographer
darrinhenry

I've always been a PC & Windows user, just started that way and stuck with what I knew which has served me well. However, for more than a year now through a series of conversations and random observations have led me to thinking it may be time to consider trying a Mac computer and laptop. I normally look to replace/upgrade my computers every 5 years anyway and 2016 is the year.

As my actual experience with Macs is zero I'ld be interested if anyone could offer suggestions of systems I should consider. My home computer is used heavily for photography post production, running my blog/website, graphic design, video editing etc. Basically everything!
When it comes to the laptop, performance for picture editing and weight will be factors for me as travel blogging/photography will be a large part of its use.

Look forward to hearing some ideas - cheers sad

Posted 4 March 2016
eosfan
Photographer
eosfan
Well you know you'll start the PC/Mac debate yet again so here goes....I have used a MacPro for the last 8 years or so now, with my current machine being a 2010 model with upgraded memory, WD Red HDDs and Samsung/Sandisk SSDs in the internal drive bays with external HDD for backup.
I run Lightroom and Photoshop CC on it with no problem, other than that it is used for usual stuff like browsing, email, excel, word.

Personally I would never go back to Windows, I use an iPad and Mac laptop for mobile purposes - yes I'm an Apple convert because it works.

Posted 4 March 2016
Edited by eosfan 4 March 2016
Plymjack
Photographer
Plymjack
Not much difference between them - You will always pay more for your Apple Mac stuff - and you dont own anything you buy in the iStore.. yes apple gear is generally easier to use, and may look pretty with a back light apple - but just remember youre paying for a name.

Windows works, hence why it has more users all over the world, it just Apple users like to pretend it does not to justify the extra money they keep paying. Whysay you would never go back to windows, it really is not any more difficult to use then apple they are just slight different!



Posted 4 March 2016
xtiggerx
Photographer
xtiggerx
Just started a very similar post but in "off topic" section,as im seeking same as Darrinhenry....i find this forum alot more informative especially from Eosfan, one of my repliers seemed to suggest you cant upgrade apple macs as in adding more ram/hard drives but Eosfan suggest it IS possible......
Maybe i should have posted in this forum....

Posted 4 March 2016
eosfan
Photographer
eosfan
I won't bother with the Mac/Windows debate but to answer the above point, as mentioned I have increased the RAM, added internal HDDs, added SSDs in my current MacPro and previously upgraded the HDD in an iMac, so certainly in my experience, upgrading has been no more difficult than it was when I built Windows PCs.

Posted 4 March 2016
HowardJ
Photographer
HowardJ
xtiggerx
Just started a very similar post but in "off topic" section,as im seeking same as Darrinhenry....i find this forum alot more informative especially from Eosfan, one of my repliers seemed to suggest you cant upgrade apple macs as in adding more ram/hard drives but Eosfan suggest it IS possible...... Maybe i should have posted in this forum....
Read the specs for the iMacs on the Apple store. You'll see that the RAM is not user upgradeable on the 21" versions. This is because the case doesn't provide user access via a cover that can be opened. You could upgrade it by dismantling the entire iMac I.e. removing the cover on the screen with a sucker as it's held in place by magnets and then disconnecting various parts to get to the memory sockets. It's not an option I'd recommend for someone who hasn't dismantled a computer before. The same goes for the hard drive. The 27" imacs do provide user access to the RAM sockets but you're paying between £1400 and £1800 for this machine. You'll find many articles and reviews of Macs which say that apple is making it harder for users to upgrade their own machine. This is because apple want you to do the upgrade at the point you order the machine and this means you pay apple's much higher prices for upgrades. MacPros are £3000+ and are designed to be user upgradeable and that's mostly the old model macpro. The new macpro is smaller and less user upgradeable. A macpro is massively over powered for the average user who edits a few photos. It's also ridiculously expensive for what it is. An equivalent windows PC is much cheaper and just as capable plus it'll be more user upgradeable. Checkout ifixit for their teardowns and upgrade guides for Macs. It's always possible to upgrade a machine, but sometimes you need to be an electronics engineer e.g.on the macpros apple has soldered the memory boards directly to the motherboard, so to replace them you need to unsoldered them with a soldering iron, which if you don't know what you're doing could fry the other components on the computer.
Posted 4 March 2016
Edited by HowardJ 4 March 2016
riddell
Photographer
riddell

I'm a PC user, I have a very high end windows machine and also the Wacom companion tablet, both of which I use for editing and both of which work absolutely fine and do exactly what I want.

I also have a couple of very regular gigs where they provide me a Mac on site, it also does the job just as well.

That's the point I use both systems and both work just as fine.

If I'm picky about it the PC I think is a bit better as there is lots of little bits of software available, that simply are not available for the Mac.



Posted 4 March 2016
HowardJ
Photographer
HowardJ
https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iMac+Intel+21.5-Inch+EMC+2889+Teardown/50961

- iMac 21.5" EMC 2889 Repairability Score: 1 out of 10 (10 is easiest to repair)

- Cutting the tape to open the iMac isn't too difficult with the right tools, but it must then be replaced to complete any repair.

- The RAM is still soldered to the logic board—you're stuck with what you bought.

- The Fusion Drive connector is again missing from the logic board, killing all hope of storage hacking.

- The CPU is soldered to the logic board, and cannot be replaced or upgraded.

- The glass and LCD are fused together, increasing the cost of replacement.

Very nice.... not


Posted 4 March 2016
AndyGStudios
Photographer
AndyGStudios
Pc -vs- Mac... *SHIVER* biggest can of worms there is. Just go with what feels right to both your budget, and requirements. Talk to people in the shops and make the informed choice, ask the pertinent questions and request demonstrations. Watch for the upsell/cross sell techniques.

What I will say is, throw enough money at any well built computer and it will perform like a pornstar on an 8k screen... until your demands outreach it, by which time it will feel slow as the demands placed upon it increase. So try and build some future proofing into your spec and buy a little beyond your needs. If you 'do' go the way of the fruit, you should be prepared to spend more on hardware AND software than you would be used to on a pc.

Show a preference to one side or the other online, and you invite bombastic remarks and vitriol from people who think they know best; which just creates more flames and counters from the fanboi's of either side of the pro/con argument. So i'll just say... best of luck, and step out of this potentially doomed thread... they rarely end well.



Posted 5 March 2016
Edited by AndyGStudios 4 March 2016
HowardJ
Photographer
HowardJ
I have both Mac and PC, so I'm not particularly a fan boy of either. I'm simply stating the facts regarding apple's approach to upgrades for Macs.

I did a reasonable amount of research on this before I made my purchase. I ended up buying a previous year quad core Mac mini as it did what I needed and it was user upgradeable, but I looked at the full range including the Mac pro.

I upgraded mine to have an SSD and a faster hard drive and maxed the RAM by buying it cheaper from Crucial. I chose the previous year version instead of the one that had just been announced that year because apple had made the new model less powerful at certain tasks and it was less user upgradeable and thus I'd have to spend more on the initial purchase to get the spec I wanted. To upgrade the Mac mini's drives I did have to completely disassemble it as all the components are layered on top of one another with the drives being at the bottom. It took about 1.5 hrs to disassemble, fit the new drives and memory and put back together again

Posted 5 March 2016
HowardJ
Photographer
HowardJ
I have both Mac and PC, so I'm not particularly a fan boy of either. I'm simply stating the facts regarding apple's approach to upgrades for Macs.

I did a reasonable amount of research on this before I made my purchase. I ended up buying a previous year quad core Mac mini as it did what I needed and it was user upgradeable, but I looked at the full range including the Mac pro.

I upgraded mine to have an SSD and a faster hard drive and maxed the RAM by buying it cheaper from Crucial. I chose the previous year version instead of the one that had just been announced that year because apple had made the new model less powerful at certain tasks and it was less user upgradeable and thus I'd have to spend more on the initial purchase to get the spec I wanted. To upgrade the Mac mini's drives I did have to completely disassemble it as all the components are layered on top of one another with the drives being at the bottom. It took about 1.5 hrs to disassemble, fit the new drives and memory and put back together again.

My day job is in the computer industry, I studied microelectronics at university and I've done upgrade work to other computers in the past, so I was comfortable doing the upgrade work.

Posted 5 March 2016
anthonyh
Photographer
anthonyh
A lot of people buy Macs because they are the 'must have' accessory...and Apple know this and generally treat its customers like cash cows to be milked...and milked...and milked!. If Windows was ever to get an OS that came close to the Mac experience I suspect Apple would start to notice big time, but until then, most people I know that have moved to using Macs don't go back to PCs. That said, I have an early 27" iMac and it is totally reliable and handles PS / LR with no trouble at all, although I am probably a light user compared to some on here.
Posted 5 March 2016
Alan_Jay
Photographer
Alan_Jay
darrinhenry

I've always been a PC & Windows user, just started that way and stuck with what I knew which has served me well. However, for more than a year now through a series of conversations and random observations have led me to thinking it may be time to consider trying a Mac computer and laptop. I normally look to replace/upgrade my computers every 5 years anyway and 2016 is the year.

As my actual experience with Macs is zero I'ld be interested if anyone could offer suggestions of systems I should consider. My home computer is used heavily for photography post production, running my blog/website, graphic design, video editing etc. Basically everything!
When it comes to the laptop, performance for picture editing and weight will be factors for me as travel blogging/photography will be a large part of its use.

Look forward to hearing some ideas - cheers sad


I went through a very similar process 6 years ago.
I got alot of replies saying either Apple or PC was THE way to go.  In the end, I visited an Apple shop to see for myself what Macs were like.  The staff were VERY helpful and actually suggested I go for a lower spec, less expensive option.  Its worked perfectly for me ever since.  Apple staff are not paid commission and so tend to prioritise what is right for the customer.  I'm sure that stores selling PCs will also do this.
I found that Apple products, whilst being more expensive, suited me better.  My wife carried on with her PC until the end of last year,  when she decided that as my Mac was still always faster than her newer PC etc.,  that she would change over to a Macbook.  She's been happy and impressed ever since.
Whatever we say,  its what suits you and your individual circumstances that matters.  If you visit a good PC supplier and an Apple store, armed with all your wants and needs,  you will be able to see first hand which is better for you.
Be warned though, Apple products are very addictive  I now have an iphone, 2 iPods, (the incredible Nano with the screen & a Classic), an iPad and the Mac.  My wife has the Macbook, iPad, iPod and iPhone.

Posted 7 March 2016
AndyGStudios
Photographer
AndyGStudios
"I'm sure that stores selling PCs will also do this."
- They don't they try to upsell like crazy, and hammer extra warranty into you (I used to work for PC World lol.) Ethical PC shops will cater to the needs of the customer, and that's how I used to sell, needless to say after a few months it became clear to me I was working for the wrong employers. This is pre-2000 btw, so quite a while back.

Sales people do exactly that... sell, upsell, and cross sell. Non-commissioned Advisors (as in the apple store) are the way to assure you get correct information and exactly what you need. Their only interest is listening, and providing to your requirements.

Posted 7 March 2016
MG
Photographer
MG
I made the move around 8 years ago. I still have a pc laptop. My own experience is that I've never really looked back and I don't hardly ever use my PC anymore. I also have a 2006 macbook that I bought for £100 expecting it to last for a 6 week trip and that was all. 4 years later it's still going strong. I don't upgrade the operating systems unless I have no choice but I've never really had any issue in making the move. Why did I swap? I was tired of getting viruses on pc's every few weeks. I know people say you get them on Macs too but I've never had one. Go with what feels right but I don;t think there are that many people that walk in to an Apple Store and aren't tempted in the slightest.... (I said many)
Posted 8 March 2016
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