Asking for help with travel when asked to do a TFCD shoot

Asking for help with travel when asked to do a TFCD shoot

34 posts
9 Jan 2016
Dkphotographics
Photographer
Dkphotograph..


I have recently been asked todo a TFCD shoot with a model who lives 50 miles or so from me.
It seems that it is ok for models to request help with travel if they come to a photographer and I always offer to pay half the travel cost.
on this occasion I was asked to do a TF shoot with a model at my house and I offered to pay half the travel cost.
The model then claimed she could not travel and would I be able to go to her?
Not a problem was my reply if you are able to cover half my travel?

Was I unreasonable with my request? after all it works both ways doesn't it?

 

Posted 9 Jan 2016
profilepictures
Photographer
profilepictu..
If you cant be bothered to cover a few quid in petrol for a TF, you should probably give the whole shooting match a miss.

Posted 9 Jan 2016
RedChecker
Photographer
RedChecker
profilepictures

If you cant be bothered to cover a few quid in petrol for a TF, you should probably give the whole shooting match a miss.



Posted 9 Jan 2016
xtiggerx
Photographer
xtiggerx
well done...ANOTHER constructive reply from Profilepictures..i really shouldnt be suprised should i....oops here comes a barrage of comments my way ...but hey ho... In reply to forum post...if i was to travel 50 miles to pick up and return a model id suggest shooting images for my portfolio/projects/ideas etc-to which she doesnt get copies...think thats reasonable....
Posted 9 Jan 2016
AndyGStudios
Photographer
AndyGStudios
Dkphotographics
Was I unreasonable with my request? after all it works both ways doesn't it?
You asked a model to pay for something... This will not end well lol Wake up chap, the market is not weighted in the photographers favour right now, we have to pay for, well, pretty much everything and hope we don't get screwed over with a no show. Working with better known models with a good track record helps... which usually means even more cash unless your work is to pretty much agency standard.
Posted 9 Jan 2016
Edited by AndyGStudios 9 Jan 2016
RedChecker
Photographer
RedChecker
AndyGStudios

the market is not weighted in the photographers favour right now, we have to pay for, well, pretty much everything and hope we don't get screwed over with a no show.


In fairness, the photographer pretty much always gets the most out of it.  They retain the copyright, pretty much control what & how they shoot, get all the images rather than just a handful etc. etc.

Driving there (and arguably massively reducing the likelihood of a no-show) to get her is, in the whole scheme of things, a small price to pay.
Posted 9 Jan 2016
AndyGStudios
Photographer
AndyGStudios
That used to be the case, sites like 500px now require to see a model release before you can sell the images on there, other sites are following suit - so even with the copyright theres not a lot you can do with them, and the world gets smaller... and it's up to the model of course, if the choose to sign that release, so they are in charge and hold a lot of the cards. If the model initiates the session they retain the right to control their image too.

Youre right about the image retention, nature of the beast... some people will provide all images then and there, some will allow the model to choose her images from a contact sheet (this is how I do it) others will hope the model trusts their eye. The downside for the most part is that standard tf means portfolio use only and rights to the photographer as per the CDPA.

No show can be a lot of things though it does sound limited if you drive to the model. Heavy night on the tiles ? you arrive having just woken her up, she's got a migraine, maybe she's in a mess, might even be still dressed, maybe she forgot, went out, or just doesn't feel like it today and doesn't answer the door. But I agree, driving there does seem the best way to avoid a no-show.

Communication is everything. And driving there a small price to pay when you consider what half of the models charge these days. Market forces will decide if people pay it however. Imho internet modeling is dying in favour of webcamming, and apathy seems to be everywhere. Tf weddings appear now, even companies are getting in on it asking for commercial TF in exchange for 'exposure'.

If you get offered TF, and she's worth it - yes, pay the petrol and go to her. Make sure everyone is on the same page though and contact on the day for sure before you set off.

Posted 9 Jan 2016
Edited by AndyGStudios 9 Jan 2016
Alan_Jay
Photographer
Alan_Jay
Dkphotographics


I have recently been asked todo a TFCD shoot with a model who lives 50 miles or so from me.
It seems that it is ok for models to request help with travel if they come to a photographer and I always offer to pay half the travel cost.
on this occasion I was asked to do a TF shoot with a model at my house and I offered to pay half the travel cost.
The model then claimed she could not travel and would I be able to go to her?
Not a problem was my reply if you are able to cover half my travel?

Was I unreasonable with my request? after all it works both ways doesn't it?

 



I seldom do any TF, I prefer to either pay in cash or a mix of cash and images,  so am not the best placed to answer your question.

That said, if I put myself in that sort of scenario, I would probably weigh it up like this:
Do I want to do the shoot with this model?
If so, is it worth paying £10 or so on fuel?

The original aim of TF was for both parties to benefit from the resulting images.  So, if I would benefit from them an extra £10ish,  isn't going to stop me travelling to the model.  If I felt it wasn't worth that,  then I probably shouldn't be doing the shoot in the first place.
My view about any shoot, - what value does it have?  If the actual cost is equal to or less than the value I assign it,  then I'll do it.  If not,  then I won't.
That applies whether I approach the model or vice versa.  Who pays what percentage of the total cost isn't really of any interest.  as long as I feel the cost to me is worth it,  then I'm happy.
Posted 9 Jan 2016
AndyGStudios
Photographer
AndyGStudios
Alan you said that so much better than me 100% nail meet hammer.
Posted 9 Jan 2016
Dkphotographics
Photographer
Dkphotograph..
Well as usual with this type of question everyone looses sight of the original question and go off on different tangents.

this was not about avoiding no shows or copyrights or amount of photos given or even me not wanting to pay travel.

As stated when I offer TF and Paid I always offer to pay either half the travel for TF and all travel for paid.

what I said was:
I was asked to do a TF shoot with a model at my house and I offered to pay half the travel cost.
The model then claimed she could not travel and would I be able to go to her?
Not a problem was my reply if you are able to cover half my travel?

Was I unreasonable with my request? after all it works both ways doesn't it?


Posted 9 Jan 2016
AndyGStudios
Photographer
AndyGStudios
My apologies, I was trying to be clear. To answer, imho.

Was I unreasonable with my request? - No
after all it works both ways doesn't it? - Not always

Depends how you judge it. If it's worth it to you to do the shoot, then you will probably self fund. If she says 'that's fine' to your request, jump on it. I would expect you to have already known this however, so the answer is pretty much just common sense.

Hope that helps.

Posted 9 Jan 2016
Edited by AndyGStudios 9 Jan 2016
PaulManuell
Photographer
PaulManuell
profilepictures
If you cant be bothered to cover a few quid in petrol for a TF, you should probably give the whole shooting match a miss.
Read the OP's question properly; SHE asked HIM for a tfp shoot. HE offered to contribute towards HER costs to come to his place. When SHE said she couldn't make it to his place and asked if HE could go to HERS, he quite rightly asked if SHE'D contribute to his travel costs, seeing as he would've done if she'd come to him. But of course, giving a constructive, sensible answer isn't your style, is it? You seem to relish in making yourself look like a superior, smug, arrogant prick. And if this post gets me banned, then so be it. Though how you haven't been banned by now for your constant sarcasm and outright rudeness on this site is beyond me.
Posted 9 Jan 2016
profilepictures
Photographer
profilepictu..
PaulManuell
Read the OP's question properly; SHE asked HIM for a tfp shoot. HE offered to contribute towards HER costs to come to his place. When SHE said she couldn't make it to his place and asked if HE could go to HERS, he quite rightly asked if SHE'D contribute to his travel costs, seeing as he would've done if she'd come to him. But of course, giving a constructive, sensible answer isn't your style, is it? You seem to relish in making yourself look like a superior, smug, arrogant prick. And if this post gets me banned, then so be it. Though how you haven't been banned by now for your constant sarcasm and outright rudeness on this site is beyond me.
So many things seem to be beyond you relating to photography And still, it's entirely unrealistic to expect a TF to go all your own way, pretty much a few quid on petrol is a bagatelle compared to the general costs of the hobby. You can think me sarcastic or whatever really, when you've evidence of any expertise, maybe I'll take note. And to my second point,again from an old favourite of mine 'In reply to forum post...if i was to travel 50 miles to pick up and return a model id suggest shooting images for my portfolio/projects/ideas etc-to which she doesnt get copies...think thats reasonable.... ' Hilarious on several levels, effectively suggesting half a tank of petrol spent and the model gets no images returned whatsoever. Arguably, not a bad outcome considering the alternative.
Posted 9 Jan 2016
redbaron
Photographer
redbaron
My initial thought was it was being a little petty but then I read it properly and realised the initial request was from the model and yet despite that you had been prepared to cover some of her expenses. That is hardly bieng small minded in the circumstances. For you to make that offer only for the model to turn it down and ask you to travel around 100 miles to her instead does come across as a damn cheek. I suspect a lot of photographers on here, myself included would have just dropped the shoot then and there unless there was something exceptional about the model. In those circumstances asking for a small contribution seems a perfectly reasonable way of seeing if she was serious about the shoot. Seems you got the answer. No. As for comments about at least she cannot no show. Don't you believe it! I have had two shoots at models homes where exactly that almost happened. With paid shoots too They did eventually answer the door but it was clear they had either forgotten or had too good a session the night before.
Posted 9 Jan 2016
Rolleiflexer
Photographer
Rolleiflexer
I ALWAYS pay for travel expenses, whatever type of shoot it is. I even pay expenses for a pre-shoot meeting, and for the coffees!!

Posted 9 Jan 2016
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