Casting calls - does a model need to be "xyz" to model "xyz"?

Casting calls - does a model need to be "xyz" to model "xyz"?

26 posts
9 Jan 2015
Plymjack
Photographer
Plymjack
A general question but arising from a casting call - I dont think a model needs to be a particular person to model (act?) that role.  So asking for such a person should not be neccessary surely?  If I want a model to sit on a tractor and look like a farm girl I dont ask for a farmer?  If I want 2 girls to do a g/g shoot I dont need to ask them if they are gay or bi do I?

Posted 9 Jan 2015
riddell
Photographer
riddell

Not really. Even the best and most varied of actors will have limitations, and when there is a such a huge difference in looks and skills you pick the right model. In general a country girl is going to have much more of a country look sitting on a tractor than a city girl who is uncomfortable with the idea of mud.

After all there is a reason why certain people are picked to be the face of a brand, you wouldn't want to use just anyone. Similarly its why certain actors are used. You pick the right person, right look, right age, build and acting ability.

And if you want any model to do anything even slightly outside the remit of basically be in front of the camera posing then you discuss that with them first before you book them. Even if you have 2 models, male and female for a decent promo shot and that shot involves kissing, nothing naughty, just a kiss for a promo you still need to discuss that beforehand.

Not everyone is comfortable with everything and whats the point of having someone turn up to the set that is uncomfortable and therefore doesn't put 100% in?

Paul.
www.photographybyriddell.co.uk

Posted 9 Jan 2015
swalsh58
Photographer
swalsh58
It would depend how you wanted both girls to interact. Of course you shouldn't ask them if they are gay or bi, that's none of your business. Your hiring them to work for you, in essence, so you should make sure they are capable of doing what you want. If your asking them to interact on a personal and intimate level, then yes, you should make clear what it is you are asking them to do. They are individuals with feelings, morals, standards, and it is in no way the same as asking a girl to sit on a tractor.
I think that is only common sense surely? Unless I have missed the point entirely (which isn't unusual.....)

Posted 9 Jan 2015
marlhamphoto
Photographer
marlhamphoto
If I cast here for a model to sit on a tractor looking like a farm girl I'd probably end up with a folder full of pouty, bosom thrusting, thigh flashing but well-meaning girls who all assumed that's what I was really after. I'd hazard a guess that if you really want your model to look like a farm girl you'd be better off finding a farm girl than casting for one here. Other scenarios might also apply.

Posted 9 Jan 2015
Edited by marlhamphoto 9 Jan 2015
Alan_Jay
Photographer
Alan_Jay
Plymjack

A general question but arising from a casting call - I dont think a model needs to be a particular person to model (act?) that role.  So asking for such a person should not be neccessary surely?  If I want a model to sit on a tractor and look like a farm girl I dont ask for a farmer?  If I want 2 girls to do a g/g shoot I dont need to ask them if they are gay or bi do I?


I think I get what you are referring to,  and must confess I was a bit surprised to see it!
Fortunately, as its a casting,  anyone responding can either indentfy as what is requested or simply say they willing to act the role.

It did feel a bit overly intrusive,  but that could just be my suspicious side coming to the fore.

Speicfying, to use your example, the casting is for a lesbian,  does rather restrict things.  After all,  a great manay models can produce perfectly good and believable images whilst definately not being either lesbian or even bi.
Being that specific, may well put people off,  simply as they do not want to identify their sexual orientation to someone who has no good reason to know it.
Posted 9 Jan 2015
profilepictures
Photographer
profilepictu..
Its an I teresting point, but that the two examples are for farm hand or lesbian sets a splendidly polar example. I'd think that in casting terms photographers will be looking for a look or skill set first, though often an attitude can be the deal maker or breaker.
Its fair to say that not every model here will be a gifted multi skilled actor, in the same way that not every photographer will have a skill set capable of producing both convincing fashion/product/wedding shots. Many will give it a good go of course, and some will make a pigs ear of it.

Posted 9 Jan 2015
Plymjack
Photographer
Plymjack
Alan_Jay


Speicfying, to use your example, the casting is for a lesbian,  does rather restrict things.  After all,  a great manay models can produce perfectly good and believable images whilst definately not being either lesbian or even bi.
Being that specific, may well put people off,  simply as they do not want to identify their sexual orientation to someone who has no good reason to know it.


yes that is what I thought too..
Posted 9 Jan 2015
marlhamphoto
Photographer
marlhamphoto
Alan_Jay

After all,  a great manay models can produce perfectly good and believable images whilst definately not being either lesbian or even bi.

I think you're just getting carried away by the thought of it rather than the qualities of the images themselves. And it's interesting to note that you're so sure about the sexualities of the models used in those images.

Personally I struggle to recall ANY GG images published on sites like this that look anything other than entirely unconvincing and in many cases simply embarrassing all for those involved in producing them. I'm happy to be pursuaded otherwise though if you can provide examples.
Posted 9 Jan 2015
I think it's a good idea to ask for a lesbian if you want to shoot g/g, there is an element of realism that is added because lesbians are not only attracted to all other women but are always exhibitionists so will obviously be able to just be able to bring the entirety of their natural sexual behaviour and display it for someone else's enjoyment without any of this crazy "modelling" lark that straight girls have to do.

Posted 9 Jan 2015
RedChecker
Photographer
RedChecker
marlhamphoto

Personally I struggle to recall ANY GG images published on sites like this that look anything other than entirely unconvincing and in many cases simply embarrassing all for those involved in producing them. I'm happy to be pursuaded otherwise though if you can provide examples.


As to how convincing it is, there's an element of the photographer being able to capture it as well, most unfortunately can't.  Mainly I think the problem is that if you're going to have two people going at it, the last thing you need is to photograph them being aware of the photographer's presence (looking at the camera) when they should be concentrating on one another.

A lot of G/G (typically the 'softer' stuff) also looks contrived.
Posted 9 Jan 2015
Edited by RedChecker 9 Jan 2015
Alan_Jay
Photographer
Alan_Jay
marlhamphoto

I think you're just getting carried away by the thought of it rather than the qualities of the images themselves. And it's interesting to note that you're so sure about the sexualities of the models used in those images.

Personally I struggle to recall ANY GG images published on sites like this that look anything other than entirely unconvincing and in many cases simply embarrassing all for those involved in producing them. I'm happy to be pursuaded otherwise though if you can provide examples.


I think you may have missed the point and are jumping to conclusions laugh
May I draw the honourable gentleman's attention to what I actually wrote,  which appears to be somewaht different to what you have read 
I certianly don't see any point in trying to persuade you!   Certainly in some instances,  it would involve sharing information that you have no need or right to be made privy to.
Incidently,  there are a lot of images that never appear on 'sites like this.' 
Posted 9 Jan 2015
marlhamphoto
Photographer
marlhamphoto
Alan_Jay

Certainly in some instances,  it would involve sharing information that you have no need or right to be made privy to.

Don't worry - I'm more than happy for you to keep any information you hold on models' sexual preferences to yourself.
Posted 9 Jan 2015
marlhamphoto
Photographer
marlhamphoto
I'm advised that most models shooting gay (male) porn aren't actually gay. It kinda surprises me but there you go.

Posted 9 Jan 2015
Alan_Jay
Photographer
Alan_Jay
marlhamphoto

Don't worry - I'm more than happy for you to keep any information you hold on models' sexual preferences to yourself.

Hmmmm,  really!  What a strange fantasy world you like to portray!
A word to the wise,  desperation, jealousy and an over active ego are never attractive.  Maybe you would benefit from not trying to show everyone how insanely clever you are,  well at least until you are
Posted 9 Jan 2015
Edited by Alan_Jay 9 Jan 2015
marlhamphoto
Photographer
marlhamphoto
Alan_Jay

A word to the wise,  desperation, jealousy and an over active ego are never attractive.

What on earth makes you think I have any desire, let alone desperation, to ingratiate myself with models to the extent that I get to know their sexual preferences? Or that I'm remotely jealous of anybody that does get to know them? Or that I feel the need to be attractive to models beyond the fee I pay them or the images I supply them with?

If that's your cup of tea then fine. But it would be rash of you to assume that I have those same aspirations.
Posted 9 Jan 2015
Edited by marlhamphoto 9 Jan 2015
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