Advice needed regarding a shoot. Should I stay or should I go?!!

Advice needed regarding a shoot. Should I stay or should I go?!!

23 posts
13 Nov 2014
jes
Model
jes
I don't normally get myself into these situations but I need some advice.

I was contacted via email by a photographer for a commercial shoot a couple of months ago but it got cancelled as he said the client didn't agree to one of the terms in his contract.

Anyway, recently he contacted me again regarding a different shoot to which I agreed.  The shoot is to take place at a location, rather than a studio.  All correspondence has been via email and I've been given the details of where to be and what time, however I've sent an email today to confirm and asked a couple of questions, one of which being about getting paid on the day and the other asking for a mobile phone number.  Soon after, I received an email that was like and automated response but it didn't actually say it was.  The content was something to do with the email not being accessed as much as normal due to a family illness.  I sent another email but haven't got a response.  So am I right in thinking that an automated response would send a reply every time?  If so, why hasn't it sent one the second time?  Hence my suspicions being roused!

Am I being stupid or paranoid?...or would I be a fool to go?  Surely he would be emailing me if the shoot was legitimate and to go ahead?
Posted 13 Nov 2014
Keltica
Photographer
Keltica
I am assuming he has a track record, a website and a history going back a few years.

If not............ then go with your gut feeling and cancel giving your concerns.

Scott

Posted 13 Nov 2014
RedChecker
Photographer
RedChecker
Regardless of what the first response was like, if it looks like you're being ignored I'd be tempted to walk away (silence being its own 'answer').


Posted 13 Nov 2014
carshaltonkev
Photographer
carshaltonkev
jes

I was contacted via email by a photographer for a commercial shoot a couple of months ago but it got cancelled as he said the client didn't agree to one of the terms in his contract.

Soon after, I received an email that was like and automated response but it didn't actually say it was.  The content was something to do with the email not being accessed as much as normal due to a family illness.  I sent another email but haven't got a response.  So am I right in thinking that an automated response would send a reply every time?  If so, why hasn't it sent one the second time?  Hence my suspicions being roused!

Am I being stupid or paranoid?...or would I be a fool to go?  Surely he would be emailing me if the shoot was legitimate and to go ahead?


To me "client doesn't agree to one of the terms in his contract" sounds far fetched. Hmmm is my response. I wonder what terms in his contract.  

You can set email to give an "out of office" automated reply, but you can of course cancel it at any time.

I am not sure about you being a fool to go. I suspect he is just a time waster who is stringing you along and I doubt if you will ever get a shoot organised with him. I would forget about it and don't waste your time.  

Posted 13 Nov 2014
jes
Model
jes
Thank you, just wasn't sure if I was being unreasonable and I don't like letting people down.

With regards to the automated reply; I send two messages just a few minutes apart, so unless it was cancelled inbetween that time, which seems unlikely, then I guess it wasn't a real automated message?  All the automated responses I've ever received have stated that they're so.  On this one there was nothing.

Oh well!
Posted 13 Nov 2014
If you have a bad feeling about it Jes then you already know the answer.

What I would do is send another e-mail and say something like you apologise but the communications have left you worried about how the shoot will go (or something like that). If he is legit he will maybe be able to persuade you that all is well but if not then you will have saved yourself the bother of turning up to this shoot which may or may not be a shoot.

Have you had references from other people he has worked with?

You know the drill though - if something doesn't seem right then its not worth putting yourself into a bad situation.



Posted 13 Nov 2014
jes
Model
jes
carshaltonkev

To me "client doesn't agree to one of the terms in his contract" sounds far fetched. Hmmm is my response. I wonder what terms in his contract.  




I must admit, I did find this a bit weird.  Most people are able to come to an agreement. 
Posted 13 Nov 2014
jes
Model
jes
Chrissie_Red

If you have a bad feeling about it Jes then you already know the answer. What I would do is send another e-mail and say something like you apologise but the communications have left you worried about how the shoot will go (or something like that). If he is legit he will maybe be able to persuade you that all is well but if not then you will have saved yourself the bother of turning up to this shoot which may or may not be a shoot. Have you had references from other people he has worked with? You know the drill though - if something doesn't seem right then its not worth putting yourself into a bad situation.



Yes, you're right.  I have already sent an email saying due to the response I'm unsure if the shoot was supposed to go ahead.  I think I will send one more and leave it at that.
Posted 13 Nov 2014
marlhamphoto
Photographer
marlhamphoto
When I activate my out-of-office settings I'm given the option to auto-respond EITHER once only OR every time an email is received from a particular address.

Posted 13 Nov 2014
Edited by marlhamphoto 13 Nov 2014
carshaltonkev
Photographer
carshaltonkev
I thought experienced professional models went by their gut feeling. If something feels wrong to you with all your experience, chances are you are not imagining it.

I reckon he is just mucking you about, stringing you along. I always get concerned if a model starts to communicate badly or not at all prior to a shoot- and I dare say flakey photographers act the same.

The fact that he is communicating with you direct and not via a website raises doubts in my mind. Does he seem a legit photographer that is so high flying that arguments happen with clients over terms and conditions?! Such a photographer would certainly have their own website. Sounds like hollyhocks to me!

IF IN DOUBT- LEAVE IT OUT!

Posted 13 Nov 2014
jes
Model
jes
marlhamphoto

When I activate my out-of-office settings I'm given the option to auto-respond EITHER once only OR every time an email is received from a particular address.


I didn't know this.  It doesn't actually say it's an automated response though, it's just worded like one. 

Surely someone who has a shoot arranged would check their emails the day before just to confirm?  Especially as this has been the only form of communicaton.

Posted 13 Nov 2014
jes
Model
jes
carshaltonkev

I thought experienced professional models went by their gut feeling. If something feels wrong to you with all your experience, chances are you are not imagining it


Hence me asking for advice.  I usually feel confident that a shoot is legitimate or I don't.  Rarely am I not sure.

The more I think about it though, the more I feel like there's something not right.  Thanks for the support Purestormers! 

Posted 13 Nov 2014
marlhamphoto
Photographer
marlhamphoto
jes

I didn't know this.  It doesn't actually say it's an automated response though, it's just worded like one. 

Surely someone who has a shoot arranged would check their emails the day before just to confirm?  Especially as this has been the only form of communicaton.



It's pretty standard.

Usually you're presented with a template message which includes a statement that it's automated. But as soon as you over-write the template it's down to whatever the sender wants to say. And that's all you'll get.

At the end of the day though if you cancel due to him being unobtainable then I wouldn't feel bad about it even if the issues he's mentioned in the automated message prove to be genuine. If he's decent he'll understand your predicament too.
Posted 13 Nov 2014
Edited by marlhamphoto 13 Nov 2014
carshaltonkev
Photographer
carshaltonkev
Try using another email address to contact him to see if you get the same "automated" response. It might be worth setting up a new Hotmail address (if you don't have an alternative) just to see if it really is an automated reply. If it isn't then he certainly mucking you about!

I think sooner or later you will get an answer along the lines of, "Sorry I am going to have to cancel the shoot because Granny is seriously ill". You might have to wait until tomorrow to get it. If he gets a kick out of mucking models about, he will leave it to the last minute- or maybe not at all and just won't show up. Then he will say- we must rearrange- and you should tell him to get lost!

Posted 13 Nov 2014
carshaltonkev
Photographer
carshaltonkev
What I forgot to mention is that an Automated Reply will ping back immediately. So if he took any time to reply, it was not an automated reply. And if it was not an automated reply, he is mucking you about.

Posted 13 Nov 2014
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