All I hear about PS is negative........

All I hear about PS is negative........

208 posts
26 July 2014
GSC4X
Photographer
GSC4X
I have over 200 references on this this site, so I won't want to lose those.

But all I hear is negativity.  My last shoot from here was November.  So many comments on fb and other sites about being frustrated at 'awaiting approval'.  Models and photographers on other sites (doing quite well) are refused access (some even on the wall of shame).  Can site admin please have a short sharp shock and hopefully believe that the rest of the world really isn't against them.  Yes, you have weeded out some (most) of the twats, but you are bleeding yourself to oblivion.
Posted 26 July 2014
mph
Photographer
mph
I don't think letting someone from the "Wall of Shame" onto other sites is necessarily a good thing! There are and have been enough complaints (on other sites too) about long established and previously respected photographers to take it seriously.

Posted 27 July 2014
GSC4X

So many comments on fb and other sites about being frustrated at 'awaiting approval'. 
Our 'Approvals Fairies', as MadMod calls them, review applications* several times each day.
They also advise those who have not, or have badly, completed their application how to rectify.
Advice for new applicants is given here - those who won't, don't or can't comply are not Approved.

GSC4X

Models and photographers on other sites (doing quite well) are refused access (some even on the wall of shame).
Only those who have caused serious problems are, after ignoring due warning,  added to the Wall of Shame.
We appreciate that some other sites accept members and behaviour that Purestorm find unacceptable.
We also realise that some we exclude from this site can be economical with the truth regarding their exclusion.
We do not plan to invite back any Suspendees who, after clear Warnings that they are no longer welcome,
have as a last resort been added to the Wall of Shame.

( We in this context means the Purestorm Moderator Team )

mph

There are and have been enough complaints (on other sites too) about long established and previously respected photographers to take it seriously.
It is possibly worth mentioning that not all problem users are photographers - or always male.

* Note that Approval can be withdrawn from profiles which are under Administrator Investigation and also
members who fail or refuse to give Purestorm requested assurances about their use of the site are not Re-Approved



Posted 27 July 2014
Edited by Love 27 July 2014
Amber6
Model
Amber6
The forums ARE very quiet. However, even though I have started doing less and less work with photographers from portfolio sites, when I do - a good chunk still comes from PS.

I personally think it's a good idea (certainly as a model looking for work, can't speak for photographers), it's nice to have a presence on all the sites.

Posted 27 July 2014
nige_nw
Photographer
nige_nw
IMO If this site does not take a stand back and think why it is loosing ground it will continue to do so until eventually it dies.

Just restating policies does not in my mind make me think the penny has dropped!

I fully accept that we don't want to reopen the floodgates to those we don't want here but proving difficult to those who wish to join and help keep the site alive is not doing any favours. Unfortunately I don't think this is the only reason for the site loosing ground.

Posted 27 July 2014
FlashBangWallop
Photographer
FlashBangWal..
nige_nw

IMO If this site does not take a stand back and think why it is loosing ground it will continue to do so until eventually it dies. Just restating policies does not in my mind make me think the penny has dropped! I fully accept that we don't want to reopen the floodgates to those we don't want here but proving difficult to those who wish to join and help keep the site alive is not doing any favours. Unfortunately I don't think this is the only reason for the site loosing ground.


+1
I like Purestorm but its usefulness for me is fading fast.  
In particular I find the Wall of Shame a bit grubby...I look at it now and again like you would a car wreck...but there's no need for it.  Some of them on there may have mental health issues.
Im still happy to pay as a Silver, I guess, because I realise the amount of moderation that must be done in the background and I like to pay my way but hope that you can inject some new life into this site.  




Posted 27 July 2014
IainT
Photographer
IainT
ForumModerator

Our 'Approvals Fairies', as MadMod calls them, review applications* several times each day.
They also advise those who have not, or have badly, completed their application how to rectify.
Advice for new applicants is given here - those who won't, don't or can't comply are not Approved.
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GSC4X
Models and photographers on other sites (doing quite well) are refused access (some even on the wall of shame).

Only those who have caused serious problems are, after ignoring due warning,  added to the Wall of Shame.
We appreciate that some other sites accept members and behaviour that Purestorm find unacceptable.
We also realise that some we exclude from this site can be economical with the truth regarding their exclusion.
We do not plan to invite back any Suspendees who, after clear Warnings that they are no longer welcome,
have as a last resort been added to the Wall of Shame.
( We in this context means the Purestorm Moderator Team )

There are and have been enough complaints (on other sites too) about long established and previously respected photographers to take it seriously.
It is possibly worth mentioning that not all problem users are photographers - or always male.

* Note that Approval can be withdrawn from profiles which are under Administrator Investigation and also
members who fail or refuse to give Purestorm requested assurances about their use of the site are not Re-Approved


Thats all fair enough and I don't disagree, but I can't understand why Purestorm is not pro-active in recruiting members. Its almost as if the management want the site to fade away.

I can understand running a site like this can be sole destroying and maybe Matt has just had enough? and I wouldn't blame him.

But perhaps the time has come to make a policy statement on whether the intention is to rescue PS or let it fade away? Quite a few people have been very loyal to this site over the years, I for one have been a paying member since 2008 and I do not want to see PS die. But the evidence suggests it is dying and losing ground rapidly to competitors.

It would be nice to know how the management see the future.
Posted 27 July 2014
Edited by Jacqui 27 July 2014
lester2705
Photographer
lester2705
IainT

Thats all fair enough and I don't disagree, but I can't understand why Purestorm is not pro-active in recruiting members. Its almost as if the management want the site to fade away.

I can understand running a site like this can be sole destroying and maybe Matt has just had enough? and I wouldn't blame him.

But perhaps the time has come to make a policy statement on whether the intention is to rescue PS or let it fade away? Quite a few people have been very loyal to this site over the years, I for one have been a paying member since 2008 and I do not want to see PS die. But the evidence suggests it is dying and losing ground rapidly to competitors.

It would be nice to know how the management see the future.


I fully and wholeheartedly agree Iain, and I too have been a paying member for a long time now, however my last shoot arranged through the site was over a year ago now. But lets not all be quick to jump on Matt and the mods, Glamour is becoming a hard thing to do now because there are so many gwc's who are plying their trade on social media and other sites too and wannabe models are becoming more lenient in what was once good enough has now become what is acceptably good enough for them individually to go sticking on their social media profiles and say "oh look at me i'm a model". Thhis is just sadly now an image of the ever changing times we live in, however, I don't want to be shelling out fees every month if its not going to work for me.

Posted 27 July 2014
Rawandthecooked
Photographer
Rawandthecoo..
Clearly, without a major overhaul, ps is no competition for the current market leader, but I would not be too complacent if I was management at the other place. It is my belief that a proper competitor could gain a lot of members very quickly! The keys to a successful site are, features that keep the membership interacting and on line, and forum moderation that is not biased, slanted, inconsistent and favourable to a secret elite. Shouldn't be hard really!


Posted 27 July 2014
IainT
Photographer
IainT
Rawandthecooked
Clearly, without a major overhaul, ps is no competition for the current market leader, but I would not be too complacent if I was management at the other place. It is my belief that a proper competitor could gain a lot of members very quickly! The keys to a successful site are, features that keep the membership interacting and on line, and forum moderation that is not biased, slanted, inconsistent and favourable to a secret elite. Shouldn't be hard really!
You are obviously entitled to your opinion on the running of other sites, but the main problem for PS is that their main competitor is a UK based site which is operated in a very slick and pro-active manner. Whether or not current or former members feel the management is dubious is irrelevant, because the majority (including me) by far are relativelly happy with the way the site is run and are happy to pay subs at a level which makes it a viable commercial proposition. This makes it possibly the only UK model site at present which has that distinction. It would be nice to see PS challenge their position simply because a monopoly is not good for anyone and that includes the operators of the other site.
Posted 27 July 2014
Edited by IainT 27 July 2014
stu_art
Photographer
stu_art
I like this site, and I like another site (which is not the one most people refer too)...

Not sure that we all hear bad things about PS, I confess little has changed since I first joined, but then it does what it says on the box, its a hosting site for portfolios.

In our capitalist world, its good to have competition, for that drives improvements and changes, if however income has not reduced as dramatically as people seem to suggest, then why would one invest money in changing things that do not need fixing.....

The measure of success for these portfolio sites is probably the activity of the models. I have always had a good enough response to castings, and seen enough castings for me to react to. But perhaps we are all just spending that little bit less on hiring models and shooting these days (perhaps supported by the increase in studios that are also packing up).... also it's interesting to see how many models have created 'Model Pages' on Facebook and have material followers and possibly have never been on a Portfolio site.



Posted 27 July 2014
skymouse
Photographer
skymouse
I think none of the existing sites yet has the one ingredient which will be the deciding factor in the future. I don't think any of them will embrace it, either. That said, I get the impression PS has a fundamentally different business model from that of other sites, in that it openly states (unless they've changed it now) that established model photographers are welcome to apply. Not just photographers, or photographers who have done it for x years, or those whose standards meet some judge's criteria, or who only do it as an occupation, or any other criteria one could postulate. It invites established model photographers. This often forgotten aspect means that PS's foundations are hewn from different stone from that of other sites. I think these foundations happen to give PS a unique advantage not enjoyed by the other sites, if it ever should happen to take on the as-yet under-exploited areas to which I alluded. The flip side is that by neglecting those areas, it risks falling short of its potential.
Posted 27 July 2014
artistoli
Photographer
artistoli
skymouse

I think none of the existing sites yet has the one ingredient which will be the deciding factor in the future. I don't think any of them will embrace it, either. That said, I get the impression PS has a fundamentally different business model from that of other sites, in that it openly states (unless they've changed it now) that established model photographers are welcome to apply. Not just photographers, or photographers who have done it for x years, or those whose standards meet some judge's criteria, or who only do it as an occupation, or any other criteria one could postulate. It invites established model photographers. This often forgotten aspect means that PS's foundations are hewn from different stone from that of other sites. I think these foundations happen to give PS a unique advantage not enjoyed by the other sites, if it ever should happen to take on the as-yet under-exploited areas to which I alluded. The flip side is that by neglecting those areas, it risks falling short of its potential.


What are the other areas to which you allude? 

PS does need to do something, but please, please, please don't go the way of the 'other site.' Whilst some people haven't had any issues with their management, I cancelled my membership after one week because of the communication I recieved from their management - seriously, I've been disgusted with plenty of businesses in my time, but I have never ever seen such shockingly unprofessional customer service as that of 'the other site.' Maybe I just caught them on a bad day, but seriously, out of principle I will never give them another penny as long as I live. I'd happilly subscribe to a paid membership on PS again, but only if it become more active, as its just not worth it right now. 
Posted 27 July 2014
artistoli
Photographer
artistoli
May a range of 'Save Purestorm' T-shirts!
Posted 27 July 2014
skymouse
Photographer
skymouse
artistoli

What are the other areas to which you allude? 

 


I think the turning point will be when a site fully gears itself more effectively to benefit people working commercially (regardless of the genre or the sphere of commerce). Ideally such a site would also accomodate hobbyists as well, as the existing sites do.  I don't really want to go into a lot of detail as I don't think it's something that will be embraced.
Posted 27 July 2014
Edited by skymouse 27 July 2014
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