Cameras used in films

Cameras used in films

23 posts
3 Jan 2014
Chandos
Photographer
Chandos
Anyone into filmmaking and curious about what kind of cameras used someone has compiled a database
http://shotonwhat.com/


Posted 3 Jan 2014
profilepictures
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profilepictu..
I've done quite a few videos for musicians using the 5d2, it has limitations of course but the footage is pretty good.

Posted 3 Jan 2014
Crippen
Photographer
Crippen
I went to an open day at Provision in Leeds just before Xmas, where they had numerous cameras out for punters to test/play with, including Arri's, Red's, Black Magic's, etc. plus grip and lighting equipment like the Movi.

There's some stunning gear out there, however, IMHO, you still can't beat a 35mm Panavision for quality.

Good website Chandos, thanks for posting. There's also a BFI database somewhere, that not only shows what every British film was shot on, but also who distributed them, etc. All useful information if you like that kind of thing.

Profilepictures... check out a brilliant little Zombie/Buddie movie called 'The Battery'. Shot entirely on a 5d Mkii (and a hired Zeiss lens). The movie was made for only $6k, but is well worth a look. I saw it projected onto a cinema screen and was very impressed with the quality.

Dave
Posted 3 Jan 2014
Edited by Crippen 3 Jan 2014
RedChecker
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RedChecker
Crippen

There's some stunning gear out there, however, IMHO, you still can't beat a 35mm Panavision for quality.


You can quite easily.... you film with 70mm Panavision (although sadly I believe there are only two working cameras left in existence)
Posted 3 Jan 2014
RedChecker
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RedChecker
I made a mistake, there's only one in existence

I think it's fair to say that a modern comparison would be 35mm is akin to 4K video, and 70mm is akin to 8K.  Certainly for remastering purposes they seem to be remastering the most well-known 70mm films in 8K before downsampling them to 4K or 1080P.
Posted 3 Jan 2014
Edited by RedChecker 3 Jan 2014
Crippen
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Crippen
RedChecker

35mm is akin to 4K video, and 70mm is akin to 8K.


That sounds spot on to me. Especially when you read the spec on the new Bolex digital 16 and Super 16 cameras. 1920 x 1080 pixels (16mm mode) & 2048 x 1152 (Super 16mm mode).


Dave (not usually geeky)








Posted 3 Jan 2014
Chandos
Photographer
Chandos
I still prefer if they are more specific as to what camera used for which scenes. I know several 5D2 was only use as crash cams in the Avengers. I'm sure the site might be useful to show to potential clients who are curious about the camera a videographer uses. I actually lost a gig after showing my little Lumix GH2 to a client who obviously thinks a 5D2 is better.
Personally I believe dSLRs has an influence in the film industry with its 135mm as an option. Still many successful films are shot using S16 such as Star Wars.

I'm not exactly won over by the DB16 just yet especially having seen Philip Bloom's samples. It looks like low light handling is not great maxing out at ISO400 and lot of grading to make it look reasonable but firmware fixes are being suggested by the designer to improve things.
I've pre-ordered the Blackmagic 4k hours before it was announced in NAB 2013 after leaked photos emerged so I'm the first on the waiting list with my reseller


Posted 4 Jan 2014
Edited by Chandos 4 Jan 2014
EdT
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EdT
RedChecker
You can quite easily.... you film with 70mm Panavision (although sadly I believe there are only two working cameras left in existence)
To be fair, that's not "quite easily" if there is only one in existence.
Posted 4 Jan 2014
OldMaster
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OldMaster
The Blackmagic looks to be a beaurifully made bit of kit but apart from ergonomics is it really an advance on the ff dslr bodies?
Not my field so I ask out of interest. Watched a 4k 55" screen and was suitably blown away but it is "only" 6mp. With ff dslr Canon bodies exceeding this and with great low light performance are they actually capable of better quality than the Blackmagic....but just a bitch to use!!

Posted 4 Jan 2014
LaurenceJPower
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LaurenceJPow..
Anything is better than CGI! I know it's incredible what they are able to achieve, but I'd rather see less special effects and have real images shot on a camera.

Posted 4 Jan 2014
RedChecker
Photographer
RedChecker
EdT

To be fair, that's not "quite easily" if there is only one in existence.


I thought it was obvious both of us were talking in a historical sense as hardly anyone uses film nowadays.

Besides, it's probably not as difficult as you think to rent that camera.  If one still exists it is probably also available for rent and I'm sure Panavision will oblige if your wallet is deep enough.

They certainly still list 65mm cameras on the American website
Posted 4 Jan 2014
Edited by RedChecker 4 Jan 2014
Chandos
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Chandos
OldMaster
The Blackmagic looks to be a beaurifully made bit of kit but apart from ergonomics is it really an advance on the ff dslr bodies? Not my field so I ask out of interest. Watched a 4k 55" screen and was suitably blown away but it is "only" 6mp. With ff dslr Canon bodies exceeding this and with great low light performance are they actually capable of better quality than the Blackmagic....but just a bitch to use!!
Since it is not your thing, I would say video files from dSLRs compare to cameras such as blackmagic, Arri, Red is like comparing upsampled jpeg files with RAW. You can try freeze frame a video clip and see for yourself what the quality looks like, then take a still photo of the same scene in RAW and compare the two. If you try to process dSLR video files such as changing the contrast, saturation, white balance, etc, it falls apart, not so likely with the other cameras. Of course there is the Magic Lantern Raw hack for Canon dSLRs but you need a very fast and very large CF card that only gives a few minute of recording and time consuming converting the files suitable for editing.
Posted 4 Jan 2014
Edited by Chandos 4 Jan 2014
otteypm
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otteypm
The Blackmagic cameras come with their own set of unique problems but the footage recorded is much more robust than DSLR, they shoot raw or prores, prores is great for going into edit, raw workflow can be a pig but it keeps the quality. DSLRs generally put out heavily compressed finishing formats like H264, also the sensors are rarely optomised for video, all sorts of horrible techniques like line skipping are used to create the image. I don't think the ergonomics are any better on the Blackmagics from the DSLR, The main problem with a lot of the modern digital cinema cameras is that they require a lot of add ons to make them workable.

Posted 4 Jan 2014
OldMaster
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OldMaster
Thanks....makes sense! And the cumbersome nature of using my dslr for video has always put me off anyway. Always been a completely different genre of image creation compared to stills anyway...at least that is in my opinion!

Posted 4 Jan 2014
Chandos
Photographer
Chandos
My very early preorder has paid off. I will be getting my Blackmagic 4K camera tomorrow. I heard there is a huge waiting list with delivery to US retailers expected in April in small batch. I need a model to point this thing at
Posted 10 Feb 2014
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