Police deleted his photos

Police deleted his photos

18 posts
10 Dec 2013
RedChecker
Photographer
RedChecker
Legal issues/copyright aside, drom a forensic point of view the police officer has effectively 'tampered' with the evidence/scene of crime by requesting deletion in the first place.

It'd be like pulling someone over in their car for suspected drug offenses/kidnapping/murdedr but telling them to vacuum the car out while waiting for the towing lorry prior to detailed investigation.

Stupid.

Posted 10 Dec 2013
paulford
Photographer
paulford
Also quite difficult to actually delete images in most cases can be quite easily be recovered, Was the police officer in question trying to hide something?

Posted 10 Dec 2013
MG
Photographer
MG
That is a very good incident to happen as I would imagine that effectively it serves as case law. However you can see why (particularly in Northern Ireland) (which I love as a place and love the people) with the threat of terrorism quite high that a police officer would suspect that someone taking photographs of him filling his car up with fuel may possibly want them for terrorism purposes... Of course that is just an initial view with the facts given in the news story.

But as I said, It is a good thing to happen.

Posted 10 Dec 2013
TonyNutley
Photographer
TonyNutley
I have to say that if I were a police officer in Northern Ireland and saw someone take my picture whilst I was filling my car with petrol I'd be very suspicious .

Why would you take a picture of a policeman filling his car with petrol?
Posted 10 Dec 2013
Edited by TonyNutley 10 Dec 2013
Andy_B
Photographer
Andy_B
TonyNutley

Why would you take a picture of a policeman filling his car with petrol?


Stock?

Maybe he was really photogenic? frown
Posted 10 Dec 2013
Or maybe the photographer was just taking pictures of the area.

He did not realise that there was police officer filling his car at the pump.

After the incident, if no crime was committed then the photographer should have gotten all of his property back.

Including the pictures.







Posted 10 Dec 2013
Strober
Photographer
Strober
+1 Remember were talking Northern Irleand here and not England, terrorists even use facebook in order to confirm the identity of british soldiers serving over there. Not only that but the Northern Ireland Police (previous RUC) has had more officers killed from terrorist attacks than any other Police Force in the UK. Yes the officer was wrong to delete his photos, but we have to remember the country that we are talking about here, taking photographs like this does fall under the Anti Terrorism act i.e. every morning Officer A leaves his house at 08:00am to take his children to school. 08:30 Officer A drops kids off at school, at 09:00 hrs Officer A pulls up to a service station and fills up has car with petrol. so you see.... the officer was correct about his own safety. The photographer can only put this down to experience, yes the officer was wrong to delete his images, but to be honest with you all, again it's not like it's England where the officers are walking around dealing with crimes such as mountain bikes being nicked. Instead these Northern Irish officers are walking around in constant threat of being shot by the Real IRA for being a Serving Catholic member of the police service(traitor in the RIRA eyes) in a British Police Force etc... Guys you have heard of the term I'm a photographer not a terrorist, but really how is an officer in Ulster really supposed to believe that you are what you say you are ? You not remember them two British soldiers that were killed of late by the RIRA ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Massereene_Barracks_shooting
MG
That is a very good incident to happen as I would imagine that effectively it serves as case law. However you can see why (particularly in Northern Ireland) (which I love as a place and love the people) with the threat of terrorism quite high that a police officer would suspect that someone taking photographs of him filling his car up with fuel may possibly want them for terrorism purposes... Of course that is just an initial view with the facts given in the news story. But as I said, It is a good thing to happen.
Posted 10 Dec 2013
Edited by Strober 10 Dec 2013
profilepictures
Photographer
profilepictures
Credit to the police where the justly follow and uphold the law. In this instance, whilst a police officer may take your camera as evidence if he suspects it's involved in a crime having happened or about to happen, he's not allowed to delete the pictures and he's not going to quote any anti terrorism ruling without absolutely compelling evidence to do so. Check out the met police advice to photographers and you'll see the instructions about this were revised. In practical terms, the law is their to be obeyed by all, it's not a coppers job to make it up as he goes along. Credit to those who are honest and brave to serve their community honestly though.

Posted 10 Dec 2013
MG
Photographer
MG
I would just add that having spent a huge amount of time in Southern Ireland and been to Northern Ireland too, the Irish are the friendliest nation that you'll ever come accross, both north and south. I was very apprehensive about going for the first time as i had visions of a terrible war ruined country but it's really not like that at all. It is overall a very beautiful part of the Umited Kingdom, with a lot of friendly folk... It just has a few problems still. I would not want to portray it in any bad light but my point and others are very valid.... But again I repeat that it clears up the law. I


Posted 11 Dec 2013
johnlp
Photographer
johnlp
Surely, the sensible approach would have been to go to the photographer, explain the situation and ask him to delete the images in question. If I'm doing street scenes and got asked by a member of the public not to photograph them, or remove an image they were in, I'd have no hesitation. Occasionally a model will ask me to remove an image because it has shown a little too much, and I know that I could, if I wanted, get them back, but really, why bother?


Posted 11 Dec 2013
Edited by johnlp 11 Dec 2013
Darkstudent
Photographer
Darkstudent
if no crime was comited surely taking the memory card and deleting the images is two counts of theft.

Posted 11 Dec 2013
RedChecker
Photographer
RedChecker
Darkstudent

if no crime was comited surely taking the memory card and deleting the images is two counts of theft.


Surely it would be one case of theft and another of criminal damage.
Posted 11 Dec 2013
stolenfaces
Photographer
stolenfaces
Darkstudent
if no crime was comited surely taking the memory card and deleting the images is two counts of theft.
The memory card was returned (and there was no 'intention to permanently deprive' so that can't be theft. As this case relates to a decision by the Police ombudsman for Northern Island I wouldn't really regard it as a particularly strong precendent. It certainly isn't 'case law'
Posted 11 Dec 2013
DonMacKay
Photographer
DonMacKay
Remember that the police are human beings too. He made a mistake and will likely be discplined (whatever form that may take). I think that the real issue here is a lack of specific training. As we see time and again, the police do get it wrong with regards to a photographer's activities, but so do some photographers.

Posted 13 Dec 2013
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