How far, is too far?

How far, is too far?

20 posts
11 Oct 2013
paulbatterbury
Photographer
paulbatterbury
Given that most people in the modelling and photography earn more in a day than some people do in a week, how far would you be prepare to travel for a shoot (and back again)?
 


 

 
Posted 11 Oct 2013
Back when modelling was my only source of income I'd happily do a round trip of about 10 hours. Now the furtherest I'll go is an hour and a half max.


Posted 11 Oct 2013
Bob
Photographer
Bob
paulbatterbury

 how far would you be prepare to travel for a shoot (and back again)?
 

As far as is needed. I think the furthest I have travelled for a shoot is Jo'burg and the most tiring trip I had was to Maine via Massachusetts over a weekend for a one-day magazine shoot at an event in the States.

The furthest a model has travelled to shoot with me for a couple of days (at her expense) was Amman in Jordan.

Last month I journeyed to southern Albania, involving 18 hours travel time by rail / plane / car each way, for two days of shooting.

Models from this site have travelled out to, or with, me for 48 hours in Spain to shoot magazine covers.

Some highly professional models I have worked with have travelled to European capital cities on day trips without batting an eyelash.

For next year I'm currently planning a 1,000 mile, five day, road trip circuit in the American Southwest requiring a day of travel over The Pond at either end to take in four location shoots a couple of hundred miles apart on consecutive days.

I suppose "how far" all depends on the ambition and drive of the model or photographer.

Bob
Posted 11 Oct 2013
mph
Photographer
mph
Bob
I suppose "how far" all depends on the ambition and drive of the model or photographer.
And money?
Posted 12 Oct 2013
BigEarsPix
Photographer
BigEarsPix
Speaking as a fun shooter I don't travel and I rarely book a model who has more than a trip time of a couple of hours each way. History has taught me that the more time a model has to spend travelling to a shoot increases the chance of a late cancellation or no show.

Posted 12 Oct 2013
paulbatterbury
Photographer
paulbatterbury
We are not talking fun Rodger, we are talking paid (day) shoots.

I am following up two cancellations I had last week when I was in the UK, the first had just over an hour to travel from Essex to the shoot location which was in London and she told me it was too far for her to come, yet I had a 2hr 20min drive up there, and the same back, the model who replaced her came from Staffordshire…..

The Second model cancelled on me at the 11 hour... well 5am, after a month of setting up the shoot and given (both models) the option of selecting a place to shoot.

On average when I shoot here in France I offer two days, due tot he travel and I have to pick up and drop of the model at the Airport which is a 3 hour round trip x 2. I use up nearly a full tank of fuel in the car, it around 350miles I drive, excluding any location shoots I do here.

It just seems to me that some people lack the dedication.



Posted 12 Oct 2013
photo_phil
Photographer
photo_phil
Iraq.
Afghanistan.
Canada.
Kenya.

Posted 12 Oct 2013
BigEarsPix
Photographer
BigEarsPix
paulbatterbury

We are not talking fun Rodger, we are talking paid (day) shoots.


I may be shooting for fun but I pay models good rates and cover travel costs too.
Posted 12 Oct 2013
twentytwenty
Photographer
twentytwenty
London several times, Glasgow to Euston via sleeper, shoot all day in the city, then sleeper back to Glasgow.

The distance is not so much a problem, its how easy it is to get somewhere and back. cheap airline bookings make European cities very attractive
Posted 12 Oct 2013
Edited by twentytwenty 12 Oct 2013
paulbatterbury
Photographer
paulbatterbury
BigEarsPix

I may be shooting for fun but I pay models good rates and cover travel costs too.




Yes but if they don’t show or cancel you have only lost the shoot…
 
Not the money, or having the upset to the client or the hassle of the location and tracking down another model to fill that gap as you paid for the location that will fit the clothing you have as you brought in the size of the model that has cancelled.
 
Even more frustrating, when you have gone out your way to satisfy the model. Who has asked you for the work in the first place, and you found the location for her which she has agreed too after giving them the option of shooting anywhere.
 
It is the difference between “fun” and “for real” you can’t easily shrug off a shoot and when its costs you, not just money, but disappointing the client.  
Posted 12 Oct 2013
Reply from a model recently . "It is unfortunate you are so far away".

Google list's as a 27 minute journey, was a well paid booking , the model had responded to a casting ???
Posted 12 Oct 2013
Keltica
Photographer
Keltica
I have done shoots which involved driving to Pontefract, staying overnight then to Co Durham (overnight), then to Carlisle (overnight) then down to Telford, then back home (London).

I now have to travel outside the M25 and usually over 250 miles for filming jobs.





Posted 12 Oct 2013
Depends on assignment. If travel expenses are paid and accommodation can be provided I would say 2-3 hours of travel for a full day of work. Note: longest I have ever traveled for a (tfp(!))-shoot was 5 hours, single trip. Stayed overnight and it was worth it. Great images and I really wanted to work with the photographer. Ifa: +1 for dedication *pets herself on the head*
Posted 12 Oct 2013
EdT
Photographer
EdT
paulbatterbury
Given that most people in the modelling and photography earn more in a day than some people do in a week...
And all those photographers who come in here moaning about how difficult it is to make ends meet these days???
Posted 12 Oct 2013
OldMaster
Photographer
OldMaster
"... photography earn more in a day than some people do in a week" I think you are living in the past!! The rate for instance for school photographers is around £100+ a day and this will often be 5.30am starts. Graduations work out at about £200 per day max when they are 10 hour days but usually only a few weeks a year. Much of social photography is seasonal with some months no work at all. Studio photography..I saw an ad from Next looking for a fashion photographer some years ago...£300 a day and apparently for Vogue you work unpaid because of the kudos!!! Weddings..don't even get me started because it's well known you only have to buy a DSLR and Hey Presto!!..you can call yourself a wedding photographer! The market has changed you might have noticed! Even an unskilled part time model if she will get her kit off will often charge around £30p/h where as a qualified and experienced full time "professional" tog working in social photography is now worth around £12-15p/h. Models can charge what the market will stand because the majority of their customers will usually be amateurs who have proper day jobs and earn sensible money! I charged £50 p/h 25 years ago but those days are long gone. Of course this was in the days of film when only a few could shoot, process and print. Digital and other market forces have changed all that. There are only two types of jobs now that social photographers get..jobs that people can't do and jobs that people don't want to do....
Posted 12 Oct 2013
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