New - Do you feel i have potential?

New - Do you feel i have potential?

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10 Oct 2013
Hey!

I am new to this site.
I have never done any professional modeling.
Unfortunately all my pictures are self taken. I haven't gotten the chance to have anyone else shoot for me.
But i feel a self taken portfolio is better than no portfolio!
There seems to be some good talent on this site, i thought i'd take some opinions from people more active in the business. Do you think i have a chance as a model?

Thanks for your time!

Posted 10 Oct 2013
Amber6
Model
Amber6
you need full length shots before anyone can say anything.  Also list your height.

Posted 10 Oct 2013
Edited by Amber6 10 Oct 2013
Amber6
you need full length shots before anyone can say anything.  Also list your height.
I agree full length shots could be helpful, but there are plenty of jobs in the industry where full length shots are not used. I am extremely short. I have no interest in runway. There are plenty of jobs available for shorter models. Thank you for your feedback.
Posted 14 Oct 2013
Gerry99111
Photographer
Gerry99111
At the moment, no one has any idea what your body looks like and no one has any idea of your scale apart from your own comment that you are extremely short.

To be honest, I would actually use that as an advantage rather than an apology and put your height down. You also ought to think of some ways to try and sell your height rather than say what you wont do. You will need a variety of shots including full length and part length for anyone to feel comfortable giving you a chance at a shoot with you.

Posted 14 Oct 2013
Gerry99111
At the moment, no one has any idea what your body looks like and no one has any idea of your scale apart from your own comment that you are extremely short. To be honest, I would actually use that as an advantage rather than an apology and put your height down. You also ought to think of some ways to try and sell your height rather than say what you wont do. You will need a variety of shots including full length and part length for anyone to feel comfortable giving you a chance at a shoot with you.
Lets get this straight... Are you both insisting that there are NO jobs in the modeling industry that are for models who are fully clothed? Or there are NO jobs out there that have the face as focal points? I can't think of any ways to sell my height. I'm 5'3 the only way to sell my height is to make a mockery of it by doing shoots where i dress up as an elf or some other character that i feel is degrading. Again i think having full body shots would be helpful if i aim to do a specific genre of modeling. If i aim to have my body even matter in a photo. Hair modeling, cologne ads, eyeglass ads, all of those could use head shots. I can't see a photographer demanding a full body shot from me in order to work with me on a project they'll only be shooting from the shoulders up. I appreciate your feedback, but it doesn't answer the question. The question is "Do you feel i have potential" not how can i broaden my portfolio, or, is my posing up to par, which "adding full length photos" would make sense as an answer. I was always under the impression seeing a picture of a persons face was good enough grounds to say whether or not they had the "potential" to model. If i have no one with a creative eye to take photos of me, i can hardly add said photos to this portfolio lol.
Posted 15 Oct 2013
Harpy_images
Photographer
Harpy_images
EthoAprilis

Lets get this straight... Are you both insisting that there are NO jobs in the modeling industry that are for models who are fully clothed? Or there are NO jobs out there that have the face as focal points? I can't think of any ways to sell my height. I'm 5'3 the only way to sell my height is to make a mockery of it by doing shoots where i dress up as an elf or some other character that i feel is degrading. Again i think having full body shots would be helpful if i aim to do a specific genre of modeling. If i aim to have my body even matter in a photo. Hair modeling, cologne ads, eyeglass ads, all of those could use head shots. I can't see a photographer demanding a full body shot from me in order to work with me on a project they'll only be shooting from the shoulders up. I appreciate your feedback, but it doesn't answer the question. The question is "Do you feel i have potential" not how can i broaden my portfolio, or, is my posing up to par, which "adding full length photos" would make sense as an answer. I was always under the impression seeing a picture of a persons face was good enough grounds to say whether or not they had the "potential" to model. If i have no one with a creative eye to take photos of me, i can hardly add said photos to this portfolio lol.


Realistically how much work do you think is out there for a model who works mostly on headshots when there are other  similar models out there that the phoptographer can work with who have a greater variety, the more sterotypical model height.
What is your USP?
As a model 9 times out of ten unless you are working with specific body parts a models body matters in the photo to some degree, yes there are some stunning portraits out there but the vast majority of model photography tends to show more than just their face, more so on the internet.
This isnt to say you dont have potential, just that you are restricting your boundries somewhat and by not having a full length body shot in your portfolio many photographer will simply move onto a model who may look similar, but shows how they look as a whole.
No, seeing a persons face isnt enough to tell if they have model potential, modeling is about far more than 'looking pretty'

Posted 15 Oct 2013
Gerry99111
Photographer
Gerry99111
EthoAprilis

Lets get this straight... Are you both insisting that there are NO jobs in the modeling industry that are for models who are fully clothed? Or there are NO jobs out there that have the face as focal points? I can't think of any ways to sell my height. I'm 5'3 the only way to sell my height is to make a mockery of it by doing shoots where i dress up as an elf or some other character that i feel is degrading. Again i think having full body shots would be helpful if i aim to do a specific genre of modeling. If i aim to have my body even matter in a photo. Hair modeling, cologne ads, eyeglass ads, all of those could use head shots. I can't see a photographer demanding a full body shot from me in order to work with me on a project they'll only be shooting from the shoulders up. I appreciate your feedback, but it doesn't answer the question. The question is "Do you feel i have potential" not how can i broaden my portfolio, or, is my posing up to par, which "adding full length photos" would make sense as an answer. I was always under the impression seeing a picture of a persons face was good enough grounds to say whether or not they had the "potential" to model. If i have no one with a creative eye to take photos of me, i can hardly add said photos to this portfolio lol.


Crikey - we didn't mention nudity so why are you getting defensive? The type of shots such as hair, cologne and eye glass are all pretty much booked through agencies so go and ask them for an opinion - they will almost certainly expect to see you in person or some fuller length shots.

We also didn't suggest for a minute that you should go for some comical role. The huge defensive play you are putting over your height is telling me you need to adjust your thinking else you will get no where if you do manage to hook up with someone willing to give you a chance.

Not being tall is not the end of the world if your body is in proportion - I have shot female models who were fairly short but you wouldn't know that because of their look and posing ability. Modelling has a lot to do with attitude and confidence and not being prepared to show anything below the neck is a huge warning sign for people to stay away.

We cannot answer your question as we have too little information to go on.


Posted 15 Oct 2013
Socialdisaster
Photographer
Socialdisaster
Judging by your attitude to those posting entirely reasonable comments I'd say no, you have no potential as I reckon you'd be a nightmare to work with.

In fact even given obvious stuff like not having full length shots, you seem to think you know better so I gather this thread is little more than a "stoke my ego" thread in which you simply wanted to hear how great you are.

Posted 15 Oct 2013
Harpy_images
Realistically how much work do you think is out there for a model who works mostly on headshots when there are other  similar models out there that the phoptographer can work with who have a greater variety, the more sterotypical model height. What is your USP? As a model 9 times out of ten unless you are working with specific body parts a models body matters in the photo to some degree, yes there are some stunning portraits out there but the vast majority of model photography tends to show more than just their face, more so on the internet. This isnt to say you dont have potential, just that you are restricting your boundries somewhat and by not having a full length body shot in your portfolio many photographer will simply move onto a model who may look similar, but shows how they look as a whole. No, seeing a persons face isnt enough to tell if they have model potential, modeling is about far more than 'looking pretty'
I agree modeling is more than just a pretty face, but i still think when someone is first starting out and they ask if they have "potential" that looking at their face is the 1st thing to go for. If someone is just plain unattractive to the camera and there is no way they could ever be a model for their face, you can say so. I think people are reading to far into this. Other people think i have a great body, but i don't feel its in good enough condition to be a focal point in photography, that is something im working on now at the gym. The industry is just plain corrupt if that is a NECESSITY tho. That seems to be the biggest focal point and it's obnoxious. I've seen UGLY models that were models just because they have great bodies. There so many dif types of beauty. Sex sells too much. As a photographer myself, a persons height and body is not the 1st thing i'm going to look at if i were to chose a model, it would be their face, how photogenic they were and how good they were with posing.
Posted 18 Oct 2013
Gerry99111
Crikey - we didn't mention nudity so why are you getting defensive? The type of shots such as hair, cologne and eye glass are all pretty much booked through agencies so go and ask them for an opinion - they will almost certainly expect to see you in person or some fuller length shots. We also didn't suggest for a minute that you should go for some comical role. The huge defensive play you are putting over your height is telling me you need to adjust your thinking else you will get no where if you do manage to hook up with someone willing to give you a chance. Not being tall is not the end of the world if your body is in proportion - I have shot female models who were fairly short but you wouldn't know that because of their look and posing ability. Modelling has a lot to do with attitude and confidence and not being prepared to show anything below the neck is a huge warning sign for people to stay away. We cannot answer your question as we have too little information to go on.
I wasn't being defensive, i was merely pointing out that my question was not being answered. Again i did not ask a question where the answer "Put up full length photos" was a helpful answer. I also never said anything about refusing to do full length shots, i said i cant see a photographer caring about full body shots if they weren't going to be shooting my body in the first place. Please read and understand my words before making accusations and assumptions. I have also stated i have NEVER worked with a photographer before, the only full length shots i have are ones of me at bars with friends, this isnt facebook, i'm not going to upload a picture with no artistic quality. People do TFP, which means if someone finds my face appealing and they aren't concerned with selling my body they may wanna do a shoot with me for mutual portfolio benefits. THEN once i had an actual photo shoot i could post those pictures in my portfolio and THEN i could ask... Hows my posing? Am i making myself look tall? Do i look natural or tense? I didn't ask for a portfolio critique or how to make my portfolio better, i asked a very simple question that no one had answered. Which i don't care what anyone says, you can look at a picture of someones face and tell whether or not they have POTENTIAL. That is the key word. Not "am i a good model" Just simply do i have potential. I've had plenty of people tell me i could, so i wanted the opinion of people who were actually in or somewhat in the bushiness. Also i ever said i had an issue with my height. I merely said i don't feel its a necessity to list, and that i dont see any jobs to use my height to my advantage that are positive.
Posted 18 Oct 2013
Socialdisaster
Judging by your attitude to those posting entirely reasonable comments I'd say no, you have no potential as I reckon you'd be a nightmare to work with. In fact even given obvious stuff like not having full length shots, you seem to think you know better so I gather this thread is little more than a "stoke my ego" thread in which you simply wanted to hear how great you are.
YOUR attitude is far worse than mine. I don't even have one. If you people learn to read you'd see the 1st couple times i thanked the person for their feedback. If i was just a rude egotistical person, why would i do that? Did i say, "Oh well that's a stupid answer, id be the best model in the world you know nothing" No. I said the answer didn't pertain to the question. Which they did not. You do NOT need a full body shot to see if someone has POTENTIAL. Apparently you need a dictionary. Potential: having or showing the capacity to become or develop into something in the future. By definition of the word potential, the pictures i've supplied are MORE than enough to answer the question. A lot of you are very ignorant. Esp the ones who are claiming i'm on some high horse just because i disagreed with feedback that had no connection to me or my question. You could have said things like, You should try making different faces. Try doing more angles. You may have to take your piercings out. Even those arent too specific to the question, but at least make more sense cause they pertain to the material given. I've already said full body shots are HELPFUL. I just don't feel they are necessity nor do they have anything to do with my question. How any of you are taking that as attitude or that i think im better than anyone else is beyond me.
Posted 18 Oct 2013
Also every single persons portfolio on here except one, is filled will all nudes. I have no desire to do work that has any resemblance to that. The other one is all creepy pictures. From looking at your portfolios i most likely would not choose any of you as a photographers. I feel like you are looking at this form a perspective of your own taste rather than what it actually is. There's a big difference. Even though i probably wouldn't choose to work with you, as an artist i can see the creativity and talent in your work. See the dif?

Posted 18 Oct 2013
Harpy_images
Photographer
Harpy_images
EthoAprilis

Also every single persons portfolio on here except one, is filled will all nudes. I have no desire to do work that has any resemblance to that. The other one is all creepy pictures. From looking at your portfolios i most likely would not choose any of you as a photographers. I feel like you are looking at this form a perspective of your own taste rather than what it actually is. There's a big difference. Even though i probably wouldn't choose to work with you, as an artist i can see the creativity and talent in your work. See the dif?

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You know that I am a model too right, one of those 'not so attractive' ones too, but, meh, I did ok
So I speak from both sides.
A portfolio full of headshots is NOT enough to evaluate whether or not you can work with a model or not/a model has potential, no matter how much you may stomp your feet about it.
If I wanted headshots, yes, the face would be important, but so would the ability to emote, to pose, interact with the camera simply looking pretty isnt enough to go on sadly.
Posted 18 Oct 2013
Harpy_images
Photographer
Harpy_images
EthoAprilis

I agree modeling is more than just a pretty face, but i still think when someone is first starting out and they ask if they have "potential" that looking at their face is the 1st thing to go for
.(your opinion, whereas face is important, so is attitude, posing ability, how natural/comfortable they are in front of a camera etc, which is quite hard to do from a  port full of headshots.


If someone is just plain unattractive to the camera and there is no way they could ever be a model for their face, you can say so. I think people are reading to far into this.
Not true, there are more than a handful of models out there who are not conventional, yet make money/get work from their unique looks.

Other people think i have a great body, but i don't feel its in good enough condition to be a focal point in photography, that is something im working on now at the gym. The industry is just plain corrupt if that is a NECESSITY tho. That seems to be the biggest focal point and it's obnoxious. I've seen UGLY models that were models just because they have great bodies. There so many dif types of beauty.
There are many different types of beauty.. yet you can happily bitch about ugly models with good bodies getting work?
TBH If you feel that a body being the focal point of an image is obnoxious then no, you do not have modelling potential, its the wrong line of hobby/work for you

Sex sells too much. As a photographer myself, a persons height and body is not the 1st thing i'm going to look at if i were to chose a model, it would be their face, how photogenic they were and how good they were with posing.
None of which apart from 'how' they look can really be assessed from simple headshots.


Glaring iregularities in your posts there..

Posted 18 Oct 2013
Edited by WebModerator 18 Oct 2013
Gerry99111
Photographer
Gerry99111
EthoAprilis

Also every single persons portfolio on here except one, is filled will all nudes. I have no desire to do work that has any resemblance to that. The other one is all creepy pictures. From looking at your portfolios i most likely would not choose any of you as a photographers. I feel like you are looking at this form a perspective of your own taste rather than what it actually is. There's a big difference. Even though i probably wouldn't choose to work with you, as an artist i can see the creativity and talent in your work. See the dif?


If you looked at my pictures that I take, you would see I shoot landscapes for over 50% of my time. I am a photographer but I am here to source models. If you saw my work 1.5 years ago, there were virtually no nudes. I am curently sourcing art nudes and using this port to help with that. That is what my strapline says at the bottom of each post. I am not going to post stuff on my portfolio that doesn't attract the type of work I am here to book. This site is not representative of my photography work in total.

I am offering you an opinion from my experience as a photographer not asking you to consider whether you would work with me. You are free to ignore it but as someone who sources models and has doing it for sometime, you do need to consider what we consider.

I think you should approach some people from a more commercial environment. Most people here are shooting for creativity. There is little justification in us shooting cologne, mens groming and other head shots. Even beauty work will be done with a degree of something unusual. We will never work with some one with just headshots but maybe you need to hear what people in you desired market might think. You wont find them here I am afraid.


Posted 18 Oct 2013
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