Billing Models for No Shows

Billing Models for No Shows

23 posts
18 Aug 2013
Picusio
Photographer
Picusio
Has any photographer (or anyone else for that matter in the same position) billed a model for studio time (or any other costs incurred) in the event of a model not showing up for an agreed photo shoot?

I have found myself in the situation yet again where a model didn't show for an agreed shoot. No phone call, no text, no email, no apology. Just another no show statistic. Whilst this was a TF shoot, the studio hire cost is very real.

Would be interested to know of others experiences on this matter. Whilst the contract for the studio lies between me (not the model) and the studio, the model has a contract in the form of an agreement to turn up to do the shoot. No show by the model incurs me a cost (as well as an inconvenience), so should be passed back to the model, on a back to back contract basis.

Whilst there will be some people jumping to the defence of the model or models in general, and will also probably point out photographers can be just as bad, I think passing costs on would focus peoples minds to realise they cannot play at this.

Posted 18 Aug 2013
raven60
Photographer
raven60
Hi
I think you will find this has happened to most Photographers at some point. Maybe more common when it is a TFP planned shoot. Even if a studio has been booked. Depending on the studio concerned, if you explain the situation the owner may give you an IOU.
This happened to me, and the studio owner was ok about it. where I got an IOU.

As for the model, I fear all you can do is leave a bad reference. If arranged through a site like this. We all learn the hard way.

Good luck next time
Allan

Posted 18 Aug 2013
OldMaster
Photographer
OldMaster
Don't see anyone jumping to the defence of any totally unprofessional conduct. Any model/tog who behaves like this will probably be as dismissive of an "invoice" and unless you want to push it through small claims court you are probably wasting your time...

Just a "Blue Face" should do on the culprits profile and a short description of "No show and no reason given"..usually puts others off booking. This loss of reputation and income usually does the trick acting as a wake up call and a warning to others.

Although I know it is an understood agreement, its another lesson that TF/CD can easily be open to abuse...where there is no pay there is also less incentive to bother if something more attractive turns up. It also makes it difficult to invoice because there was no fee involved?

I think, particularly if you have booked a studio at your expense it is even more relevant not to try and cheapskate on the model...get a good one with a reputation and paying them would bring more security..it's an old adage of course but you do get what you pay for..or don't pay for!

The other benefit of working with an established model who can actually do the job is that you are likely to end up with better pictures which surely has to have a merit of its own?



Posted 18 Aug 2013
Picusio
Photographer
Picusio
Unfortunately I have had paid models not turn up before. It doesn't seem to matter paid or not, it seems to be some weird mentality certain individuals have, which frankly is disrespectful, ignorant and rude.

I was actually thinking invoice, wait for 30 days for payment, then pass to a debt collector if not. Would wake a few people up!

Posted 18 Aug 2013
Why bother? Seems like wasting more time and effort for probably no return.

If you're doing TFP I would say it's just a risk you have to accept.

If you're being paid you can consider taking a deposit but again, whether that's even worth the effort will depend on your individual situation.

I've been cancelled on a million and one times over the years but I've never bothered to fight for compensation. If I did decide that's the way I wanted to go I would make sure I spelled that out BEFORE the shoot was booked, and not just decide afterwards.

There are other ways to manage your losses in such situations, hire two models for each shoot (making them aware of that obviously), don't put out a lot of money in advance for unknowns, work with experienced girls with good reputations, develop relationships with reliable local girls who can step in last minute.

I've had photographers tell me a model was looking a bit flaky and would I be able to fill in last minute if something came up, if the date was available and I didn't mind possibly ending up with a free day then I'd agree, sometimes they needed me, sometimes they didn't.

Posted 18 Aug 2013
stolenfaces
Photographer
stolenfaces
You can't just invoice someone for the damages that you incur as a result of a breach of contract.
You have to sue her and let the court award damages.

If she doesn't have any money you will find yourself further out of pocket.



Posted 18 Aug 2013
Id suggest you asking for half the fee. back. and i must admit most models would put laid before tf- altho she may not tell u thjs. i for one turn up to all paid or unpaid shoots. even if i am ill i brave it and do my job. goodluck for the future.
Posted 18 Aug 2013
eebijeebi
Photographer
eebijeebi
I believe the term is, 'Piddling into the wind'.

Posted 18 Aug 2013
Edited by eebijeebi 18 Aug 2013
MightyWhite
Photographer
MightyWhite
Whenever someone rants/posts about a "No Show" that has cost them money we usually get a few people suggesting that the culprit should be taken to court to enable costs to be recovered. Yet never heard of anyone doing so.

Hardly surprising. I have, thankfully, little experience of our legal system, but I believe that, at the very least, you will need the correct full name of the person (which, if you have contacted them through an internet modelling site you are unlikely to have) and their address (ditto). Yes there are ways of tracing people but all that is likely to do is cost you more money with no guarantee of success.

Frankly anybody who books a studio (or MUA etc) for a shoot (whether TF or paid) with anyone other than a 'proper' established model (with a long list of recommendations), is potentially asking for trouble. Either arrange your first shoot outside or somewhere that isn't going to cost you money if they don't show up.



Posted 18 Aug 2013
MightyWhite
Photographer
MightyWhite
SoftGentle

Id suggest you asking for half the fee. back.


This is an  equally useless suggestion. The OP has already said that she has stopped communicating in any shape, manner or form.  You really think she is going to suddenly respond to a request for money and pay him!

Posted 19 Aug 2013
Where theres a will theres a way. but non the less give up move on these things happen ive been in the same boat before.x
Posted 19 Aug 2013
Sarge
Photographer
Sarge
I personally think that you have lost your money and have no chance of getting it back.

One thing you could try for future shoots is ask for half the studio money up front (with the understanding that they will get it back during the shoot) and if they refuse then move on. If they pay and don't turn up then at least you have half the money.
If they do turn up then give them this money back as agreed.

I personally think that a blue face doesn't show the true value of a no show. They should get a temp ban. If there is money involved from hiring a studio then the ban should be longer.

I am just glad I built my own studio. If I get a no show it doesn't bother me (well, it does, but at least it doesn't cost me).

Posted 19 Aug 2013
Edited by Sarge 19 Aug 2013
I paid for half the studio fee for a photographer when I had to cancel the day before due to my cat dying (due his being so vocal most people know about this now).I was devastated about my cat which not everyone understands and took two weeks off work.Also he only had me booked for two hours and had two other models booked after me that day so his trip was not wasted yet he went to the trouble of creating a false profile, and booking four hours of my studio day in Birmingham which purestorm kicked him off for.He still dines out on the story of the model whose cat died.Yet fails to mention I have witness to the fact I tried numerous times to cancel by phone and email and eventually left a phone and emailmessage 22 hours before said shoot.Those four wasted hours of the studio day made the trip financially unviable plus he had asked me to bring a wedding dress and wigs and said he would reimburse me for them obviously to cause me further financial ruin, fortunately I already had said items but he is a horrible nasty man who is a well known stalker of many models and is to be avoided.

Posted 19 Aug 2013
Edited by laurenlangley 19 Aug 2013
katiesoze
Photographer
katiesoze
If you hire anyone - a plumber, freelance HTML writer, cleaner, hairdresser. You cannot bill them for not turning up. It's not how the world works.
If models not showing up is upsetting you so much try not renting studios, shooting outdoors and don't travel long distances to them or pay their expenses in advance. I do none of those things so when my model doesn't show up (which is maybe 1 in 15 times) I say 'oh my model hasn't shown up, let's go for a coffee' and the drama is over.

Posted 20 Aug 2013
katiesoze

If you hire anyone - a plumber, freelance HTML writer, cleaner, hairdresser. You cannot bill them for not turning up. It's not how the world works.


I wish it did, I could give up work just by billing electricians.
Posted 20 Aug 2013
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