Dear Models....Test Shoots? Your Views and Opinions Please....

Dear Models....Test Shoots? Your Views and Opinions Please....

30 posts
8 June 2013
deetvstudio
Photographer
deetvstudio
I'm interesting in knowing what Models think when they see Test Shoots advertised...........

Would you consider it to have a higher status than a TFP/TFCD casting?
Posted 8 June 2013
- This is me speaking from a "model in Scotland" perspective.

I don't view them as a higher status - to me this reads

"I wont say TF because everybody offers that but I know exactly what I want to shoot and don't want to pay for the model so if I lure her in by saying "test" she might think she will make money out of me or a publication" (note - never been paid to do photography and never paid a model).

They are the same buggers who post at midnight "Looking for a professional agency model for a test at 8am tomorrow (in a specific village miles from nowhere) - full team on board".





Posted 8 June 2013
PeterH
Photographer
PeterH
Chrissie_Red

- This is me speaking from a "model in Scotland" perspective. I don't view them as a higher status - to me this reads "I wont say TF because everybody offers that but I know exactly what I want to shoot and don't want to pay for the model so if I lure her in by saying "test" she might think she will make money out of me or a publication" (note - never been paid to do photography and never paid a model). They are the same buggers who post at midnight "Looking for a professional agency model for a test at 8am tomorrow (in a specific village miles from nowhere) - full team on board".


+1

A test is an entirely different thing to a TF shoot, as is a collaboration, or syndication, or whatever the latest buzzword is to diguise the term "Time for...."
Posted 8 June 2013
Gerry99111
Photographer
Gerry99111
I have worked with a handful of proper agency models - ie signed and get regular work from a agency that will get you work with known products and publications.

They all only "test" with published and professional photographers and seldom have need for TFP. I think they probably know what they mean by that and that it has an expectation of further opportunity in the market they primarily operate in.

Everyone else generally means TFP even if they use the word test and certainly on here, I would expect most people have no comprehension as to what a test is and so, as usual, its best to make sure all parties understand.

I don't really understand the full distinction myself, but then I don't really need to. I hope someone who actually works in the main stream published fashion arena drops by and gives a good definition of what it means and how it differs from a TFP.

One thing for certain, any use of it here is likely to be as misused as "plus sized".

Posted 8 June 2013
deetvstudio
Photographer
deetvstudio
Chrissie_Red

- This is me speaking from a "model in Scotland" perspective. I don't view them as a higher status - to me this reads "I wont say TF because everybody offers that but I know exactly what I want to shoot and don't want to pay for the model so if I lure her in by saying "test" she might think she will make money out of me or a publication" (note - never been paid to do photography and never paid a model). They are the same buggers who post at midnight "Looking for a professional agency model for a test at 8am tomorrow (in a specific village miles from nowhere) - full team on board".


See now you're just being cynical! Although cynical doesn't mean wrong does it?

Posted 8 June 2013
deetvstudio
Photographer
deetvstudio
PeterH

+1

A test is an entirely different thing to a TF shoot, as is a collaboration, or syndication, or whatever the latest buzzword is to diguise the term "Time for...."


Yes, I think it's yet another part of the industry where a term has evolved (or been deliberately misconstrued) to suit the needs of individuals.

There used to be a site listing genuine Tests didn't there? I think even they have given up on trying to keep it legit.

Posted 8 June 2013
Follyhouse
Photographer
Follyhouse
Apologies for another photographer response to a question directed at models... I'm increasingly finding that [usually agency] models prefer to use the term 'test' when arranging a shoot, the purpose of which is to update his/her portfolio. The inference is that 'TF' sounds a bit too amateur, even though it amounts, in these cases, to the same thing. I also tend to assume that 'testing' includes a make-up artist, a studio, and posher biscuits
Posted 8 June 2013
1919_Images
Photographer
1919_Images
Follyhouse
Apologies for another photographer response to a question directed at models... I'm increasingly finding that [usually agency] models prefer to use the term 'test' when arranging a shoot, the purpose of which is to update his/her portfolio. The inference is that 'TF' sounds a bit too amateur, even though it amounts, in these cases, to the same thing. I also tend to assume that 'testing' includes a make-up artist, a studio, and posher biscuits
I'd agree with this, testing is for agency standard models and decent standard photographers with hair/make up/styling etc.
Posted 8 June 2013
tthompson01
Photographer
tthompson01
OK here is my twopeneth for what it is worth.

For commercial photography a test shoot may be carried out prior to booking a model for the actual shoot. This would be done days or sometimes weeks before the actual shoot, the reason is so the photographer can decide if the model can deliver what is expected of her on the actual shoot (a commercial shoot can run in to thousands of pounds). The test shoot will only last about half an hour and the model may or may not be paid for her time.

A model agency test is different a new model will be sent by an agency to one of their approved photographers, this is to see if she has the talent and personality to succeed in the industry and to start building her portfolio. The model receives images and the photographer is usually paid by the agency (mostly this is a reduced rate to the photographers normal charge).

Hope this helps.


Posted 8 June 2013
darrenbrade
Photographer
darrenbrade
just use "TF*" for internet models
and use "test" for agency models.

otherwise just put a Babel fish in your ear.

Posted 10 June 2013
GordonCBurns
Photographer
GordonCBurns
Usually a test shoot you don't get the images yourself.

Posted 11 June 2013
deetvstudio
Photographer
deetvstudio
Thanks for all your input even if you are almost all (Chrissie being the exception) photographers!. I know we know what they are, or were, meant to be but do most of the current crop of models? Maybe I've been asking at the wrong time of day, maybe I should bump it at a more model-friendly time of day, or maybe they just don't care.......... Dave.
Posted 11 June 2013
I have been asked to a 'Test' shoot on a number of occasions by a number of different photographers, and the question I always ask is: "What am I testing for?"... Never have I ever received a reply to this question! Furthermore, when I see photographers cast for a test shoot, they rarely (if ever) state what the test is for either!

tthompson01 is exactly right with his explanation of what constitutes a test, but in my experience photographers simply use it as a way of dangling a carrot in front of the donkey... Call it what it is...

Posted 11 June 2013
NATKINS
Photographer
NATKINS
I shoot professionally with designers and agencies and NEVER get asked to to test shoot models.

From my perspective why would you want or need to? You have access to professional model portfolios, know what need to shoot and just get on and do it. It would just be a phenomenal waste of everyone's time to organise a "Test" shoot - what is that all about?

If anyone professionally is doing Test shoots, I'd like to know what it is they are achieving...


Nick



Posted 11 June 2013
PeterH
Photographer
PeterH
NATKINS

I shoot professionally with designers and agencies and NEVER get asked to to test shoot models. From my perspective why would you want or need to? You have access to professional model portfolios, know what need to shoot and just get on and do it. It would just be a phenomenal waste of everyone's time to organise a "Test" shoot - what is that all about? If anyone professionally is doing Test shoots, I'd like to know what it is they are achieving... Nick


The last genuine test I did was for a gymnastics equipment company, they wanted to see if the models looked like gymnasts, and could hit the positions they claimed to. A lot of money was being spent on that shoot, they didn't want it ruined by a girl who could hit the poses required.

Just look upon a test as an actor auditioning for a part. It's a quick test to see if you're suitable.
Posted 11 June 2013
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