Manipulation of a photographer's picture(s)

Manipulation of a photographer's picture(s)

34 posts
27 May 2013
Can anyone tell me if I am wrong when a photographer ditched me for 9 months without editing the images I wanted him to do. One particular image, my favourite but the background was taken in my living room and captured my cluttered shelf. I requested another photographer to redo the unsuitable background (not my image though) by imposing a graphic design for a background. After, 9 months, I decided to contact the photographer who ditched me as a friendly greeting and showed him what the other photographer did for me. He told me that the other photographer should know better. Don't have I got the right to ask someone to replace the ugly background on my behalf?

Posted 27 May 2013
Edited by magnolia285 27 May 2013
darrenbrade
Photographer
darrenbrade
Not without the photographer's permission, better to ask first.

Posted 27 May 2013
Well, next time, I would. He didn't inform me what his restrictions were. He was the first photographer who left his work undone so I assumed I have the right to ask another photographer to redo the unsuitable background. I originally posted in my gallery but it didn't look nice so I removed it and brought it back when the background was replaced by an amazing graphic design.

Posted 27 May 2013
common sense, its not your copyright so no you cant

i assume it was tfp and some photographers are lazy chalk it up to experience and move on or at a push attempt to make a subtle change yourself (ie. if its small like cloning out a plug socket that's only just in frame) but then be willing/expectant to have the photographer say remove it

Posted 27 May 2013
Socialdisaster
Photographer
Socialdisaster
Yes, you are wrong.

Posted 27 May 2013
Even though it was tfp, he shouldn't callously ditched me. Thoughtlessly, without knowing my wrongful rights, I asked another photographer just for one image to manipulate the unsightly background.

Thank you for your reply. I'll put it down to new experience and "We learn everyday!"

Posted 27 May 2013
BrazenDivas
Photographer
BrazenDivas
magnolia285
Thoughtlessly, without knowing my wrongful rights, I asked another photographer just for one image to manipulate the unsightly background.
Ignorance of the law is absolutely no excuse.
Posted 27 May 2013
Thanks.

Posted 27 May 2013
I know it can be very frustrating waiting for shots to be edited - I have been there.
One thing you can do is rely less on the photographer and his photoshopping skills, for example if I'm out on a location shoot before even posing I will look around for rubbish/twigs which may pop annoyingly into the frame and other little things which might be of hinderance in the final image. If I'm shooting TF or collaborations I like to see fairly often how the images are looking and if I see anything which annoys me in the unedited images which I can physically change there and then I will go and do so.

He is right in that the other photographer really shouldn't have edited his images without his permission. Remember what you think might be an "amazing" background graphic might be other folk's idea of crap background.

I occasionally even get random emails and messages from strangers showing me photo manipulations they have made and I get angry for the photographer even if they never spot the "manipulation". Its just not good call without permission. I have been granted permission to edit images of me after shoots but this is very occasionally and I edit the image myself then send it to the photographer for approval.

Best thing to do is make sure those you do TF with have good references from models who have worked with them on that basis before, its amazing how many "good" photographers leave models waiting for months and months or fail to even bother editing the images properly. I wouldn't say changing an entire background is a "normal" job though for a shoot so the photographer maybe just couldn't be arsed with all the work - in which case he should have been paying more attention to the background himself.

Posted 27 May 2013
I am curious as to the photographer

he may not edit full stop... lots dont/wont, if he portfolio is highly and well edited then i would be annoyed he didn't put the same effort into our collaboration but by the sounds of it he may just have a dislike of photoshop but without knowing his other work its hard to judge

when I look at photographers I look at there best image, worst image and middle image to try and figure out the standard I can expect - one great image could be a fluke, on bad image might be perspective but you should know what to expect by the end

Posted 27 May 2013
Thank you Chrissie_Red and RattusRock for your invaluable advice. From now on, I know how to deal with such an inconsiderate and selfish photographer after ditching me for nine months. We learn by mistakes.

Posted 27 May 2013
darrenbrade
Photographer
darrenbrade
As RattusRock mentioned, what is his portfolio like? Does his portfolio contain retouched work?

Posted 28 May 2013
Kiboko
Photographer
Kiboko
I think perhaps you don't quite appreciate the skill, time and effort it might take to extract a subject from its' background and replace it with another. It's not simple cloning, removal of something unsightly in the photograph, cropping, levels or curves, enhancing contrast etc., - to be frank it's something I've not personally mastered. There are many people adept at doing so, but not everybody is so skilful. I think your expectations were too great, I wouldn't have attempted it. My concern had I given my blessing to you finding someone else to do it, would have been what you were going to do with the final image and who would you have given the credit to. For example, the photographer should be accredited, but were he unhappy with the final result he may not want to be associated with it!

Posted 28 May 2013
EdT
Photographer
EdT
I've just been looking at your portfolio, you have some nice images there, I particularly like Gregory Brown's B&W images. What does surprise me is that every phootographer you work with seems to have signed away the copyright to his work. Unless they have done that, it might be an idea to leave the copyright bit blank, or to put the photographers name in there.

But, as I said,you've got some nice work there.

Posted 28 May 2013
darrenbrade
Photographer
darrenbrade
EdT
I've just been looking at your portfolio, you have some nice images there, I particularly like Gregory Brown's B&W images. What does surprise me is that every phootographer you work with seems to have signed away the copyright to his work. Unless they have done that, it might be an idea to leave the copyright bit blank, or to put the photographers name in there. But, as I said,you've got some nice work there.
The copyright is also in the watermark, very strange indeed!
Posted 28 May 2013
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