"Professional" and "Very Experienced"?

"Professional" and "Very Experienced"?

43 posts
22 May 2013
SMILESPHOTO
Photographer
SMILESPHOTO
Is it me or does there seem to be an increasing number of models (and maybe photographers) who say they're "professional" and "very experienced" yet only have the site minimum of four images on their portfolio, these often being of poor quality. I don't have so much of an issue with the 'professional' tag but surely if you're 'very experienced' you must have plenty of images from the numerous shoots you've been involved in.
I tend to ignore people's cv's these days and judge them by their images and references - does anyone else do much the same?
Posted 22 May 2013
MightyWhite
Photographer
MightyWhite
Most definitely. Any of course they only work for pay - I have assumed that is the reason they have decided they are 'professional'. They think it is more likely that people will offer them paid shoots.

I did contact a couple of them a while ago offering a TF shoot to help build their portfolio. Most didn't reply (surprise, surprise), but those that did were very huffy and arrogant and appeared to think there was nothing wrong with their portfolios. I pointed them in the direction of a couple of genuine professional model portfolios and asked if they could spot the difference between those and theirs, but didn't hear from them again. They generally don't tend to last very long.

Posted 22 May 2013
RedChecker
Photographer
RedChecker
You've only just noticed this?

It's an easy way to con the more gullible and many haven't a clue what constitutes a good/bad image or skill on the part of the model/photographer and are quite happy to take people at their word regardless of how bad they are.

Posted 22 May 2013
If I take my clothes off in front of a stranger and he gets to keep those images, then regardless of level of experience I don't think financial compensation is unreasonable.

Posted 22 May 2013
stolenfaces
Photographer
stolenfaces
As far as I can see it's usually people who get their TFP offers rejected who get upset by such trivia.

Posted 22 May 2013
Edited by stolenfaces 22 May 2013
Socialdisaster
Photographer
Socialdisaster
beauvoir
If I take my clothes off in front of a stranger and he gets to keep those images, then regardless of level of experience I don't think financial compensation is unreasonable.
Still "no longer using the site" huh.
Posted 22 May 2013
SMILESPHOTO
Photographer
SMILESPHOTO
stolenfaces

As far as I can see it's usually people who get their TFP offers rejected who get upset by such trivia.


I'm not sure that the accuracy of someone's portfolio is trivia Neil. If you're like me and regularly offer paid work, I expect a good idea of what that person's like before I offer them a job. I'd still feel the same if it was a 'TF' shoot.
Posted 22 May 2013
stolenfaces
Photographer
stolenfaces
SMILESPHOTO
I'm not sure that the accuracy of someone's portfolio is trivia Neil. If you're like me and regularly offer paid work, I expect a good idea of what that person's like before I offer them a job. I'd still feel the same if it was a 'TF' shoot.
Well it's best to rely on what they look like and what they say. Tick boxes are notorious for being open to different interpretations and randomly completed - I can't think why you would think it important what those boxes say. Unless, like Mighty White, you are looking to 'help' models who don't have a profile which reaches his required standard. Personally I find that 'poor' photos give a better idea of the model I am booking than 'beautiful' photos from a really professional photographer and retoucher.
Posted 22 May 2013
Plymjack
Photographer
Plymjack
In another post a photographer complained because a model said she was full time but only semi professional - seems that models have a hard job pleasing some people on here.... why not leave them alone, stop moaning about what they say, book them if you want to work with them and just live with it.
Posted 22 May 2013
SMILESPHOTO
Photographer
SMILESPHOTO
stolenfaces

Personally I find that 'poor' photos give a better idea of the model I am booking than 'beautiful' photos from a really professional photographer and retoucher.


Good point. I think an accurate shot is helpful whilst a re-touched image can show the potential.
Posted 22 May 2013
Gerry99111
Photographer
Gerry99111
Some people undersell themselves because they are humble and lack confidence in that respect but are actually exceptionally good

Some have more front than blackpool and absolutely nothing to offer.

Its the same in all walks of life. The trick is to read behind the facade to spot the gems and avoid the others

Posted 22 May 2013
Purple_Girl
Photographer
Purple_Girl
Also, a model could have done a thousand paid shoots and thus be extremely experienced but photographers aren't obligated to give her any images. I've met a couple of people who do exclusively paid work and never expect/ask for images back; I also met a girl who had previously done all her shoots through an agency and since leaving them, they refused her permission to use any of the images from the shoots she'd done. The lack of those images on their ports clearly don't stop others from booking them, so I guess it doesn't really matter if they don't have great photoshoot quality images.

I do however think that surely just about everyone knows someone with a camera who can hold it steady enough to get a fairly clear headshot of them for their port, so only having blurry/tiny/detail-obliteratingly overblown pics on there does strike me as rather lazy.

Posted 22 May 2013
I prefer to "tone down" my experience/skills - better to slightly undersell ones abilities than oversell and disappoint.
Truth is I've modelled for nearly 6 years, stopped counting how many shoots after about 500 - so I would say thats pretty high up there with experience however if I was to compare my experience with somebody like Ivory flames I would fall short. When I think of experience I think of all experiences as a model - have I sat in a class full of people drawing/painting me - no, have I done more than a handful of workshops - No - have I experienced all there is to experience as a model - not a chance in hell.

I wont ever change my experience to anything more than "experienced" People can see from my images that I have worked with a good variety of people in different conditions doing different styles and images tell me a hell of a lot more about somebodies experience than whatever status they put up.

I do love the newbies joining with cam phone pics with the "advanced/paid work only/professional" - Makes me wonder if they genuinely believe anybody would actually believe them or if they have looked around at the competition they have.

Posted 22 May 2013
Socialdisaster
Still "no longer using the site" huh.
No longer using this site for booking. But a well thought out and valuable contribution to the debate.
Posted 23 May 2013
jes
Model
jes
beauvoir

No longer using this site for booking. But a well thought out and valuable contribution to the debate.


Yep!

Posted 23 May 2013
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