Are most models unreliable ?

Are most models unreliable ?

100 posts
14 May 2013
CMAGS
Photographer
CMAGS
Every models portfolio talks about how they want to "Get ahead" in the industry and that they are "comitted and give 100%" yet so many don't even bother replying to emails you send even when its paid work.

My question is therefore are most models unreliable?


Posted 14 May 2013
Edited by CMAGS 14 May 2013
stolenfaces
Photographer
stolenfaces
no

Posted 14 May 2013
deetvstudio
Photographer
deetvstudio
CMAGS

 "comitted and give 100%" 


Only 100%?

You need to look out for ones giving 110% then.

The answer to your question is no but I do recommend reading between the lines written in profile notes.
And/or see if you can find them on Facebook too.
There are some who appear to be less than professional once you've read about their night's out antics.
Even when they have a shoot booked the following morning............
Posted 14 May 2013
PeterH
Photographer
PeterH
No, but the minority of models who are get a disproportionate amount of press on these sites, making the problem seem worst than it is. And when you suffer from them (as I am now, I have dealings out there, 3 models have gone 'radio silence' on me, that's probably a grands worth of work going down the pan) it does make you think "Why do I bother with internet models, they're all a waste of time" when clearly, they aren't.

Posted 14 May 2013
tomhl
Photographer
tomhl
CMAGS

My question is therefore are most models unreliable?


Normally you can suss out wannabees and timewasters. if you get a message off a model which contains about 5 words then she normally can't be arsed.
I don't judge models on whether they are amateur or professional, as two out of the three 'no shows' i've ever had were 'professional' models with more than 50 feedbacks on here.

I personally prefer to now work with models I already know and have shot before. So find a good model and stick with her cheeky
Posted 14 May 2013
Edited by tomhl 14 May 2013
MightyWhite
Photographer
MightyWhite
Yes - or at least the majority of girls who sign up to sites such as this most definitely are.

I now pretty much work on the assumption that, even if a model has replied to my initial message offering them a shoot and say they'd like to work with me, or who have contacted me about a shoot (so I've excluded the very large number who don't even bother to reply to a first message), most will actually disappear or just stop communicating before we have either arranged a date or, if we have, will stop replying when you try to sort out the final details. The number I actually work with is a very small (depressingly small!) percentage indeed.

But I guess it depends on how you define a 'model'. 'Professional' models (ie those who treat as a proper job) are, on the whole, reliable.


Posted 14 May 2013
skymouse
Photographer
skymouse
CMAGS

Every models portfolio talks about how they want to "Get ahead" in the industry and that they are "comitted and give 100%" yet so many don't even bother replying to emails you send even when its paid work. My question is therefore are most models unreliable?


Almost every model I've worked with (in about 900 shoots) has been reasonably, very or extremely reliable.

I've only ever worked with models with whom I established contact. By definition a shoot never got booked if contact never got established so I can't comment on how reliable those models are, but aren't such cases irrelevant? What does it matter how reliable or unreliable those models who you won't be shooting with are? I know I for one don't give a screw about those cases.
Posted 14 May 2013
Edited by skymouse 14 May 2013
CMAGS
Photographer
CMAGS
Great advice, Still trying to find my feet in this game and have previously stayed away from models charging top dollar for work but then maybe there lies the problem.



Posted 14 May 2013
johnlp
Photographer
johnlp
No, most are reliable, most are very good, some are extraordinary; but a significant minority who are trying to find their way in this, very strange, industry fall by the wayside, or aren't committed, or aren't organised or have no empathy for the needs of the photographer.  And is easy to become jaded if you happens to choose those models to work with. 

Don't worry if they don't reply to your email.  They may have had many responses and have only made a mental list of the top one or two photographers who fit their bill, and haven't got around to replying to everyone.  My stategy, if I really want to work with a model, is to wait a couple of weeks and then send them a second, polite, request.  This will either be ignored again, or you'll get a pleasant surprise.

You must also remember that their priorities may be totally at odds with yours.  Photography is my main interest at the moment and I'm spending a considerable amount of time and money on it.  But some of the models who have worked with me are also students, mothers or in full time employment.  I have to remind myself of this when I'm waiting around for a reply to what I consider is an urgent email.

I don't always feel so sanguine about these issues, but remember there are always other models out there, who want to work, are proud of what they achieve and really are willing to give 100%.
Posted 14 May 2013
Edited by johnlp 14 May 2013
1919_Images
Photographer
1919_Images
Despite what some will claim most models on these sites are a waste of time, even if you are offering paid work.
Probably only about 20% of girls on here are worth bothering to book, as you get more experienced you learn to spot them, when they turn up to shoot with you it makes up for all the hours you've wasted trying to book the other 80%.

Posted 14 May 2013
Gerry99111
Photographer
Gerry99111
Considering you would be hard pressed to ever shoot 20% of the models on here, why worry about that? Just pick the ones who fit the bill. There are plenty of those and if you cannot get to them, find out what you are doing wrong because they exist.

Posted 14 May 2013
johnlp
Photographer
johnlp
From where I stand you have the numbers the wrong way round. 80% are reliable, hard working and worth the effort, and 20% are not.

Posted 14 May 2013
Gerry99111
Photographer
Gerry99111
johnlp

From where I stand you have the numbers the wrong way round. 80% are reliable, hard working and worth the effort, and 20% are not.


I was referring to a previous posters %age - I think you get out of a shoot what you put in [as a package]. If you are finding them unreliable, then maybe you are not offereing the right environment / experience
Posted 14 May 2013
SMILESPHOTO
Photographer
SMILESPHOTO
"Are most models unreliable?" No - only about 50%. Similarly, not all photographers want models to get their kit off - again, probably 50%. The problem is separating the wheat from the chaff (no jokes please!). As others have said, just because someone is professional doesn't mean they have a professional attitude, so booking such doesn't guarantee the model will turn up or the photographer not push levels. I used to think that to avoid no-shows and last minute cancellations, I'd pay professional models but I've learnt through experience that they still have kids who go ill, grandmas who die, trains that don't turn up, alarms that don't go off.... I'm sure most models have equally sceptical attitudes towards photographers. Despite all the grief, it still doesn't stop me pursuing my hobby though
Posted 14 May 2013
jes
Model
jes
I really don't know why some of you photographers don't just stick to shooting bowls of fruit.  All you seem to do is moan about models.

Posted 14 May 2013
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