Models TF demands...

Models TF demands...

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28 Jan 2013
NWPP
Photographer
NWPP
Is it just me or are models TF demands becoming more unreasonable?

Just seen a post that is asking for contribution to the studio, 15 to 30 edited images and they are dictating the shoot and when its to take place?

Does anyone else see this as unreasonable and more to the point... would anyone here actually put their services forward for this?

Or am I being unreasonable?

Nigel
 
Posted 28 Jan 2013
Edited by WebModerator 28 Jan 2013
snapychapy
Photographer
snapychapy
No. You are not alone. I am staggered at the wording/demands of some of these so- called tfcd shoots. The phrase' give an inch.....'

Posted 28 Jan 2013
Aesthetique
Photographer
Aesthetique
NWPP

Is it just me or are models TF demands becoming more unreasonable?


If model's requirements become "unreasonable" they will either get no takers or alternatively the quality of the photographers applying will diminish. It's not a problem; supply and demand will take care of it. It may function as a opportunity for a less experienced photographer with limited means to get some valuable additions to his portfolio. 

Posted 28 Jan 2013
I've never split studio costs but everyone I work with has their own. So not sure what the usual etiquette is - but I thought photographers usually end up paying that so the fact she's offering sets her apart.

Based on the fact youd save money there I don't think her image requests are too bad.

Posted 28 Jan 2013
Keltica
Photographer
Keltica
They soon evaporate like mist on warm glass. Bye, bye.....

Posted 28 Jan 2013
Socialdisaster
Photographer
Socialdisast..
Missie0290
Based on the fact youd save money there I don't think her image requests are too bad.
15-30 sounds quite unreasonable and, really, indicative of a model with no clue. If a model is more bothered about getting 24 mediocre images than 4 fantastic ones, it says all you need to know about them and their demands.
Posted 28 Jan 2013
Edited by Socialdisaster 28 Jan 2013
stolenfaces
Photographer
stolenfaces
NWPP
Is it just me or are models TF demands becoming more unreasonable? Just seen a post that is asking for contribution to the studio, 15 to 30 edited images and they are dictating the shoot and when its to take place? Does anyone else see this as unreasonable and more to the point... would anyone here actually put their services forward for this? Or am I being unreasonable? Nigel  
If you want to shoot the model you have to decide whether you are interested in her terms or negotiate. If you're not interested why would you care ? So you are being unreasonable in posting here about a matter which is essentially bi-lateral.
Posted 28 Jan 2013
When I've done tf its been 10 - 15. Oh I don't know. I don't think it matters. If you don't think its a good 'deal' then don't take it.

Posted 28 Jan 2013
mattharper
Photographer
mattharper
Socialdisaster

15-30 sounds quite unreasonable and, really, indicative of a model with no clue. If a model is more bothered about getting 24 mediocre images than 4 fantastic ones, it says all you need to know about them and their demands.


Absolutely.
I do NOT give out CDs with all images unedited, never on a TF shoot, the only time is if someone is paying for this.
I say that from a day, there will be ten to twelve edited images of their choice, but I tell them I may not do one or two if I don't want them being used. 
The second a model starts saying she wants more, the negotiations end, it is really that simple.  
Some images take fifteen minutes, some, that I might really like, could take an hour, possibly more if I am in one of those fussy moods, but to be honest, when that is the case, it is my decision to spend that amount of time on one shot.  From that, one can conclude I might on average have between four and ten hours work to edit the chosen ones.  So, we'll cal that a day, plus the day shooting, two days work. If that isn't enough from me for a model to be happy, they can politely go somewhere else, I am sure they will get just as good a selection of images to use.   For personal reasons, I have even cut that amount down, I am looking now at probably two edited shots per set. 

As some will know from previous forum encounters, I don't pay travel either. It is simple, if someone wants images from me, it is their choice, they don't have to come to me, which deeply offends some people. 
Posted 28 Jan 2013
stolenfaces
Photographer
stolenfaces
mattharper
Absolutely. I do NOT give out CDs with all images unedited, never on a TF shoot, the only time is if someone is paying for this. I say that from a day, there will be ten to twelve edited images of their choice, but I tell them I may not do one or two if I don't want them being used.  The second a model starts saying she wants more, the negotiations end, it is really that simple.   Some images take fifteen minutes, some, that I might really like, could take an hour, possibly more if I am in one of those fussy moods, but to be honest, when that is the case, it is my decision to spend that amount of time on one shot.  From that, one can conclude I might on average have between four and ten hours work to edit the chosen ones.  So, we'll cal that a day, plus the day shooting, two days work. If that isn't enough from me for a model to be happy, they can politely go somewhere else, I am sure they will get just as good a selection of images to use.   For personal reasons, I have even cut that amount down, I am looking now at probably two edited shots per set.  As some will know from previous forum encounters, I don't pay travel either. It is simple, if someone wants images from me, it is their choice, they don't have to come to me, which deeply offends some people. 
Well don't reply to the casting then ! You do what you choose and whilst people are happy to work with you on your terms, that's fine isn't it. I can't see why you and the OP care what other people choose to offer or bid.
Posted 28 Jan 2013
mattharper
Photographer
mattharper
I never do reply to castings

I don't care what others do or don't so, I was answering the questions raised in this thread.

Posted 28 Jan 2013
Gerry99111
Photographer
Gerry99111
Aesthetique

If model's requirements become "unreasonable" they will either get no takers or alternatively the quality of the photographers applying will diminish. It's not a problem; supply and demand will take care of it. It may function as a opportunity for a less experienced photographer with limited means to get some valuable additions to his portfolio. 



This is the sensible answer and approach.

People who are purely looking at what models are asking for are only weighing up half the equation. Each model has a different value to you as a photographer and there are some I wouldn't shoot if they paid me the going rate and others I'd happily pay.

If you think the maximum value a model has to you is "x", and they want more, move on. If you find the majority of models want more than you are prepared to offer, then there are options:
1) you as the photographer are the one that is being unreasonable
2) you are off what the general modelling community expects a photographer to offer
3) the model doesnt value / need your work

If they need your work and value it, models will chase you for a shoot and let you dictate the terms depending on how good you are
Posted 28 Jan 2013
Jack_Russell
Photographer
Jack_Russell
It must be troll day!

How very dare people discuss issues that concern them on an Internet forum. The subtle clue maybe, it's an Internet forum and a place where people discuss things that concern them!!! Get with it and stop forcing your acerbic and negative rants on others. You may be in danger of somebody accusing you of being an Internet forum bully. Ho hum.

Posted 28 Jan 2013
photostore
Photographer
photostore
i add a note to self on their profile and move on,.......most leave soon after

Posted 28 Jan 2013
it depends i dont think thats too bad shes offering to help pay (something that usually fall on the photographer) she wants 30 images - a bit high but not massively unreasonable thats only 10% of an average shoot she wants to dictate (ok that sounds bad ) but she may just mean levels wise and when that shoot takes place... well if she can shoot then thats when she shoots or am i missing something theres no point booking a shoot on a day you cant do and then your always free to not reply if you dont like any of the above but is it unfair and unreasonable that photographers constantly pull model casting apart you never see models pulling apart all the stupid casting from photographers looking for free nude models (despite having the worst portfolios ever)
Posted 28 Jan 2013
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