Wedding 'TFP'

61 posts
13 Aug 2012
jessewalker
Make Up Artist
jessewalker
I've just seen a casting on another website who is looking for someone to do bridal make-up 'TF'. I'm sorry but do any other make-up artists think this is takes the piss ridiculously?! In what way would doing TF bridal make-up benefit a make-up artist? It doesn't even say if she has a photographer there who could give you great images. I just saw it and am feeling ridiculously wound up!

Posted 13 Aug 2012
Socialdisaster
Photographer
Socialdisast..
Practice?

Posted 13 Aug 2012
jessewalker
Make Up Artist
jessewalker
You can practice on friends/family. Doing weddings a strong source of income for many make-up artists, I just find it insulting!

Posted 13 Aug 2012
mattharper
Photographer
mattharper
I have to say, I agree with you.
It is controversial enough when someone asks for a photographer to do a wedding TF, but there is an argument that photographers need that practice, to take photographs under pressure in varied situations and with uncooperative subjects in many cases.

However, make up is very different and there is no need to practice on a bride when one can do so on friends or family, as you point out.

All one can do is hope that she finds someone and they make her look hideous and there is a photographer there to capture her ridiculous face. It would serve her right for being so tight or for not doing it herself.



Posted 13 Aug 2012
I can obviously see why it would frustrate you however if you are not interested and think its taking the piss then move on to the next casting, weddings are very expensive and she probably thought its worth a shot as you never know someone might do it just to practice and to say they already have the experience of doing the brides make up at an actual wedding as that may reassure others in booking them. I dont see nothing too bad in that. However if the casting was something like im looking for a very experienced wedding make up artist to do my make up at my wedding for nothing in return than yeah thats taking the piss and no one will apply lol
Posted 13 Aug 2012
Somebody will come along and do it for her.

I fail to see what benefit an MUA will get out of it, other than maybe some "real life" bride images for their portfolio but then they would need to hope she didn't get a photographer on the same basis - if she did then its probably going to be a big fat waste of time and makeup. I remember on my facebook I had a semi local model, she used to post status's every other week asking for "MUA/Stylist" to come round before she had job interviews or nights out, apparently it would be great exposure for the creatives.. The crazy thing is people actually done it. I don't work with MUA's often but I always keep my eye on them, especially the local ones and it actually pains me seeing some of the shit they are getting back from collaborations with local photographers. There are a few thankfully who do carefully consider who they team up with but for everyone of them there are 20 who are working with people unable to even expose an image correctly.

I'm midway through doing shoots for a local hat shop, I could do with an MUA on board and could stretch to paying for one but most of the MUAs in my general area are using images which do nothing at all for their craft. I think "do I want to look like shit?" no.. So I wont be throwing money at them anytime soon to help out, or asking them to collaborate with me. Like I can't tell if its bad photography/makeup/styling or all 3 in a mad miss match of crap.
Posted 13 Aug 2012
Edited by Chrissie_Red 13 Aug 2012
Jack_Russell
Photographer
Jack_Russell
There is no benefit in doing it. It's just another freeloading chancer after something for nothing, just the same as the recent castings for a full TF wedding shoot, an engagement shoot, a hen party where the poster wanted a photographer to follow her and her pissed up gang around while they had a night on the town.

Some desperado will do it for free .... Let them.

Posted 13 Aug 2012
1919_Images
Photographer
1919_Images
99% of photographers are happy to take the piss when it comes to make up artists aswell.

Posted 13 Aug 2012
mattharper
Photographer
mattharper
1919_Images

99% of photographers are happy to take the piss when it comes to make up artists aswell.


Makeup is a tricky one for photographers.  Some are fortunate and have a partner who does it, for those who don't have this luxury, it is hard as it is another expense.

I leave it up to the model and MUA, if the MUA is happy to TF, fine, if not, a model has the option to  pay for one, which they then decide against and do it themselves. 

Unless a MUA is very good, many girls can do their own better, from my experience. 


I just saw  TF casting for makeup for the "actual day", on here, probably not the same one as mentioned above 


Posted 13 Aug 2012
CharlotteMaddison
Photographer
CharlotteMad..
i agree with you, i get the same thing in my industry of webdesign... there is no such thing as free and it only effects professionals who do it properly.

Posted 13 Aug 2012
profilepictures
Photographer
profilepictu..
It's foolish not to recognise that the site is populated by both amateur and professional people, and all shades between. A casting like this, like all the other castings, is no more than an advert or a suggestion for an activity which will either appeal or not appeal. Your response is your own concern and as I see it, those who are really good at what they do, and promoting what they do, will find the activities which suit them without being distressed by others activity.

For what it's worth, I only know one MUA to speak of, and I wonder why so many, assuming they're out there, don't promote themselves more widely. Its surely as important for a MUA to do good work and have it recorded well as for a model or photographer?

In theory, a good MUA will be able to offer their services in the early stages of portfolio building, to just about anyone and expect to get pictures of high quality to promote their work. I can't figure why these seem so infrequent in the radar?

Update... Just did a search for Cambridgeshire based MUA's and the last logged on in early June, one of three in 2102, the fourth entry hasn't been in the site since November 2011. Perhaps why the profile for this role is pretty sketchy?

Posted 13 Aug 2012
Edited by profilepictures 13 Aug 2012
1919_Images
Photographer
1919_Images
profilepictures
It's foolish not to recognise that the site is populated by both amateur and professional people, and all shades between. A casting like this, like all the other castings, is no more than an advert or a suggestion for an activity which will either appeal or not appeal. Your response is your own concern and as I see it, those who are really good at what they do, and promoting what they do, will find the activities which suit them without being distressed by others activity. For what it's worth, I only know one MUA to speak of, and I wonder why so many, assuming they're out there, don't promote themselves more widely. Its surely as important for a MUA to do good work and have it recorded well as for a model or photographer? In theory, a good MUA will be able to offer their services in the early stages of portfolio building, to just about anyone and expect to get pictures of high quality to promote their work. I can't figure why these seem so infrequent in the radar? Update... Just did a search for Cambridgeshire based MUA's and the last logged on in early June, one of three in 2102, the fourth entry hasn't been in the site since November 2011. Perhaps why the profile for this role is pretty sketchy?
Purestorm is a waste of time & effort for MUA's who are qualified and have spent £1000's on training and kit, most photographers think they should work for free.
Posted 13 Aug 2012
Allinthemind
Photographer
Allinthemind
mattharper

Unless a MUA is very good, many girls can do their own better, from my experience. 



Maybe a few can, my experience is that a good MUA will do a much better hob than a model herself.

Si
Posted 13 Aug 2012
jessewalker
Make Up Artist
jessewalker
profilepictures
It's foolish not to recognise that the site is populated by both amateur and professional people, and all shades between. A casting like this, like all the other castings, is no more than an advert or a suggestion for an activity which will either appeal or not appeal. Your response is your own concern and as I see it, those who are really good at what they do, and promoting what they do, will find the activities which suit them without being distressed by others activity. For what it's worth, I only know one MUA to speak of, and I wonder why so many, assuming they're out there, don't promote themselves more widely. Its surely as important for a MUA to do good work and have it recorded well as for a model or photographer? In theory, a good MUA will be able to offer their services in the early stages of portfolio building, to just about anyone and expect to get pictures of high quality to promote their work. I can't figure why these seem so infrequent in the radar? Update... Just did a search for Cambridgeshire based MUA's and the last logged on in early June, one of three in 2102, the fourth entry hasn't been in the site since November 2011. Perhaps why the profile for this role is pretty sketchy?
I have absolutely no issue with MUA's offering their services for good images. This, however, is not a casting for a bridal shoot, but for someone who's decided to get married quickly and wants a make-up artist for free. It's downright cheeky to ask for make-up artists to do your bridal make-up without even offering images as payment. The whole point of TF is Time for print/cd not time for nothing. 'those who are really good at what they do, and promoting what they do, will find the activities which suit them without being distressed by others activity.' - thanks for suggesting because I find this really cheeky that I am not good at what I do/promoting what I do!
Posted 13 Aug 2012
profilepictures
Photographer
profilepictu..
You find what cheeky? It's a forum, you offered an opinion, I offered mine. The points I made aren't directed at you and you alone but feel free to be offended if it helps any?



Posted 13 Aug 2012
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