advice please [Has Been Turned Into Another Chaperone Thread]

advice please [Has Been Turned Into Another Chaperone Thread]

24 posts
1 Aug 2012
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Is it common for models to go to shoots alone? Ive been given the oppertunity to do a shoot with a photographer but its quite a distance from me the photographer is willing my expensives but should i go alone? His studio is in his home by the way xxx
Posted 1 Aug 2012
Edited by ForumModerator 2 Aug 2012
In reply to the question - yes it is very common.

Posted 1 Aug 2012
I go to nearly all my shoots alone, If I'm travelling some distance though in the past my partner has travelled with me and just stayed at the hotel or went off and done his own thing while I shoot. Although I imagine your travel companion would need to pay their own travel costs. Many photographers work from home, nothing to be afraid of if he has good references then you will be fine. Also a good idea to contact some of the girls who have left him a reference and ask them for a bit more detail on what he is like to work with.

Posted 1 Aug 2012
frankpht
Photographer
frankpht
Your finger seems to have stuck on the send button but yes models do travel to shoots alone. I shoot from home and I don't see any difference whether the shoot is at a home set up or a studio. Why should one be any safer than the other. You'll find both are as dangerous or safe as each other.
If the photographer is on here he/she will have some references. That should be a good indication of their character.
A good way to test a photographer is ask if it's okay to bring a "chaperone" da da daaaaa! yes I said it. Depending on the excuse the photographer gives on why you should not bring one. Should give you some idea on how safe you might be.

Seriously if you don't feel comfortable then don't go but generally we as photographer's are ok.

Posted 1 Aug 2012
Follyhouse
Photographer
Follyhouse
frankpht

Depending on the excuse the photographer gives on why you should not bring one. Should give you some idea on how safe you might be.


a) 'They tend to get in the way when I'm busy trying to chop the model into tiny pieces and put her in a bin bag' = dodgy

b) 'I have an up to date Certificate of Sanity from the Sanity Commission, have never been arrested, am semi-professional and was once married' = only slightly dodgy

c) ' that' = could go either way



Posted 1 Aug 2012
CJI01
Photographer
CJI01
Some togs have a studio which they also live in.
Doesn't mean that they are not respectable.
I've worked for legendary togs and many lived at their studios.

Posted 2 Aug 2012
Sarge
Photographer
Sarge
Whats distance got to do with it.
When behind closed doors you are as safe or unsafe if its 1 mile away or 300 miles away.
Look at the Tansy's tips for models http://www.purestorm.com/forum/readThread.aspx?id=209563 , follow up a few references off models with PM's and then decide.
I shoot from home and have a studio in my garden, and think i am perfectly safe to be with. In fact you are more than welcome to come here for a TF* shoot (bring a chaperone too if you wish).
Other togs (but not all) are the same.

Posted 2 Aug 2012
Edited by Sarge 2 Aug 2012
skymouse
Photographer
skymouse
Models are usually unacccompanied.

The question of whether you "should" or "shouldn't" bring someone with you can't be answered. Either you want to or you don't. And either the photographer accepts this or doesn't.

What is important, though, is that you ask the photographer (preferably early in your discussions) whether it's ok for someone to come along. Some photographers will be ok with this and some not. The only "Should or shouldn't" I will give here is that you definitely shouldn't turn up to a shoot with an extra person that the photographer wasn't expecting and hadn't already agreed on.
Posted 2 Aug 2012
Edited by skymouse 2 Aug 2012
AegeanSoft
Photographer
AegeanSoft
I allow chaperones to come with a model but only on the the following terms:
  1. they pay their own travel expenses (I once had one fly in from Dublin with the model at his own expense)
  2. they do not interfere with the shoot regarding poses or pre-agreed shoot content. (boyfriends can be a problem as chaperone, especially on nude shoots)
  3. they do not act in away that disturbs the model during the shoot. Most chaperones I have experienced have been very helpful as willing 'gaffers' and 'riggers' on shoots and making the tea etc. but one was evicted from the shoot location, by the model I might add, for putting her off her stride with snide remarks and being caught out as a 'secret drinker'.  Their engagement ended that day!
  4. the model is responsible for the chaperone's actions - if the chaperone misbehaves and spoils the shoot the model faces losing her fee. Fortunately I have never had to cancel a shoot because of a chaperone's actions.
On the whole I have no problem with a chaperone accompanying a model and always offer the option during the pre-shoot discussions. Most models I work with do not bring chaperones and those that do usually do so because they can't drive and need a chauffeur!

I can understand some photographers not wanting chaperones, and I respect their reasons, but anything that makes the model more relaxed and happy on a shoot is an advantage in my book.

So, the decision has to be yours about whether you take a chaperone or not, but remember that 'he who pays the piper chooses the tune' and a phtographer also has the right to decide who they allow on the shoot.  Hopefully you can both negotiate a happy conclusion.
Posted 2 Aug 2012
Hugh
Photographer
Hugh
frankpht
A good way to test a photographer is ask if it's okay to bring a "chaperone" da da daaaaa! yes I said it.
Quite correct. The better ones usually say no.
Posted 2 Aug 2012
Socialdisaster
Photographer
Socialdisaster
frankpht
A good way to test a photographer is ask if it's okay to bring a "chaperone" da da daaaaa! yes I said it. Depending on the excuse the photographer gives on why you should not bring one. Should give you some idea on how safe you might be.
Right so, for clarity, what excuse is good and what is bad? Because last time I said "sorry, I've had only bad experiences" I got called a dirty old perve but some up her own arse "model".
Posted 2 Aug 2012
Hugh
Photographer
Hugh
Just updated my profile:

"Chaperones:

Never had one when shooting nudes in deserted places round the world. Not going to start now.
Have a look at my references here, and the Tags on my MM portfolio ( http://www.modelmayhem.com/hughalison ).
Talk to a couple of people who've shot with me. "

Posted 2 Aug 2012
mgphotomedia
Photographer
mgphotomedia
I honestly can't remember the last time a model asked me if she could bring a chaperone.

Posted 2 Aug 2012
frankpht
Photographer
frankpht
Socialdisaster

Right so, for clarity, what excuse is good and what is bad? Because last time I said "sorry, I've had only bad experiences" I got called a dirty old perve but some up her own arse "model".


That's the problem there isn't one because no matter what reason a photographer will have.  The model will be the ultimate judge and in your case that model was an idiot.  I would say the photographer's response if it is reasoned and explained in a manner that allows the model to think.  Ok I get it.  Where as the photographer that goes wa wa wa bloody chaperones.   A model might think he didn't understand my concerns so I'll not work with him.

I could get peed off by the OP's assumtion that the home based photographer is dodgy.   We live in a paraniod society so I take it as part and parcel and not get upset by the ridiculous notion.   These issues aren't going to disappear so common sense has to rule the day we hope. 
Posted 2 Aug 2012
Socialdisaster
Photographer
Socialdisaster
frankpht
I could get peed off by the OP's assumtion that the home based photographer is dodgy.   We live in a paraniod society so I take it as part and parcel and not get upset by the ridiculous notion.   These issues aren't going to disappear so common sense has to rule the day we hope. 
Lets face it, people are given to judge others on any little thing that they can get their claws into. Then they'll post about it and some new person will read it and slowly it becomes the given. Luckily it's usually only the very naive or unintelligent who actually take these comments as worthwhile.
Posted 2 Aug 2012
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