Do MUAs read casting calls or do I need to message them individually ?...

Do MUAs read casting calls or do I need to message them individually ?

27 posts
11 Oct 2011
Photorod
Photographer
Photorod
I have posted a casting call for MUAs to work on many paid projects throughout the next year and probably far beyond that but I seem to have had no interest.

I have stipulated  that I will only employ those with whom I complete a test shoot/interview and that this is non negotiable due to previous let downs. I think this may have put off some of the less experienced artists but I would have thought that some of the more experienced/professional artists would have appreciated this and realised the potential for plenty of paid work thereafter.

I have even stated that though the test will be a tf basis it will not be any material for any of my projects so as to reassure artists that the test is not just a way of getting free work.

I welcome any comments from MUAs/Bodypainters and hope to employ people across the uk.

Rod
Photorod 
Posted 11 Oct 2011
PUNKuate
Photographer
PUNKuate
I'm not sure PS is the best site for finding MUA's, although there are a few good ones, I always had the problem that no one would reply on here, whilst elsewhere I can't move for all the MUA's messaging me.

Posted 11 Oct 2011
SimonFairclough
Photographer
SimonFairclo..
You need to build up a relationship with an MUA and it sounds to me you are going about it all wrong.
Besides there are very few MUAs here, suggest the other place.
Also your port has nothing in it an MUA would want. The guy (is it you) in your main picture the one in the hat sitting in mid air will scare them off. MUAs are looking for photographers that will show their work, so great well lit closeups on the face, exciting modern photograph.

Posted 11 Oct 2011
Edited by SimonFairclough 11 Oct 2011
Whenever I've put up a paid casting call for a MUA, have had more models reply to same than MUA's...which is a tad frustrating.
One MUA replied, but said she didn't do makeup anymore...yet still keeps her profile going. Still it was polite of her to answer.

It's probably best to use the 'Quick Search' facility on front page of PS , than post a casting

This week doing a shoot with photographer who is a trained MUA and does  the model's makeup first anyway,,, that should be good...frown

Posted 11 Oct 2011
Edited by SuzyMonty 11 Oct 2011

Would you expect a model to turn up and work for nothing with you on a "you might get paid in future basis"?
I have been asked to attend "test" shoots and "interviews" before, usually they are in a place convenient for the photographer - starting at 9am in a village I can't get to mid week. Is it worth me spending 3 hours £20 on a train - £3.50 on a bus then £14.00 on a taxi to get there? - on the basis that I MIGHT get work in the end - no its not. It doesn't make any business sense - not on these sites it doesn't (sorry) but it would be a waste of my time completely. If I want to TF with someone and shoot my ideas I already have plenty of photographers who I know can produce what I am after and deliver the images on time.

It might be better just saying that you would like to discuss the shoot with them over the phone, or go out for a coffee somewhere local to them at a time which is convenient for them - that way they are not going to loose money or time and more importantly their stock of makeup.
Posted 11 Oct 2011
Edited by Chrissie_Red 11 Oct 2011
It would be this test/TF thing which would put them off, I can't think of many other professionals that would work for free on the basis that it might lead to more paid work?

Posted 11 Oct 2011
1919_Images
Photographer
1919_Images
I think MUA's get a tough time on here, theyre often the only one on a shoot not getting paid even though their costs will be higher than everyone elses and normally dont get any close up images of their work to use in their portfolio, they also often get overlooked in favour of a model claiming to be a MUA with no formal training and no public liability insurance.
I'm not surprised they dont spend much time here.

Posted 11 Oct 2011
simplydivine
Make Up Artist
simplydivine
Nice to see so many responses seeing the side of the MUA here!! Firstly I would say that it is probably your location Rod that is seeing a lack of responses, as there are very few MUA's near to you. Secondly it is definitely the "test" demands you make that means that no professional MUA's are responding. Most of us experience Pro MUA's have portfolios to substantiate the quality of our work, which I personally am happy to email to anyone that asks to see more of my work, I also have numerous referals to vouch for my reliability, and can provide many more than those here. As can most pro MUA's. I log in regulary to check for paid work but it is very thin on the ground and some vague offer, completely out of my area after first paying out a lot in travel and expenses so that I might get some work in the future is not appealling. I have done "tests" many times in the past only to NEVER get any further work... interesting. In my opinion it is a way of getting a free MUA. I answer immediately ( within 24hours) any mail I get and I apply for any castings I think I am suitable for within a reasonable distance. Even Leicestershire if it were well paid enough to warrant a 4 hour round journey. Punktuate there are plenty of MUA's on here but the lack if paid work is driving many of the good ones away. Simon you are dead right, I work with lots of togs and models who I have built up good working relationships with and I have never ever let anyone down. Chrissie, you make some very good true points and i agree with you whole-heartedly. 1919, yes you are correct there are far too many models "turning" MUA when the modelling work dries up, and with no skills or qualifications undercut good, professional, insured MUA's.. indeed very frustrating. I know many good, quality MUA's who once up on time were on here every day, we posted on forums, checked for work and emailed. and spoke with one another sharing tips and information. It is now a grave yard for MUA's with very few coming on here with any regularity, and many down grading from silver/ gold memberships to basic, because we just don't get the work from here. I hope this answers a few questions from the point of view of a Pro MUA.
Posted 11 Oct 2011
SimonFairclough
Photographer
SimonFairclo..
simplydivine

Nice to see so many responses seeing the side of the MUA here!! Firstly I would say that it is probably your location Rod that is seeing a lack of responses, as there are very few MUA's near to you. Secondly it is definitely the "test" demands you make that means that no professional MUA's are responding. Most of us experience Pro MUA's have portfolios to substantiate the quality of our work, which I personally am happy to email to anyone that asks to see more of my work, I also have numerous referals to vouch for my reliability, and can provide many more than those here. As can most pro MUA's. I log in regulary to check for paid work but it is very thin on the ground and some vague offer, completely out of my area after first paying out a lot in travel and expenses so that I might get some work in the future is not appealling. I have done "tests" many times in the past only to NEVER get any further work... interesting. In my opinion it is a way of getting a free MUA. I answer immediately ( within 24hours) any mail I get and I apply for any castings I think I am suitable for within a reasonable distance. Even Leicestershire if it were well paid enough to warrant a 4 hour round journey. Punktuate there are plenty of MUA's on here but the lack if paid work is driving many of the good ones away. Simon you are dead right, I work with lots of togs and models who I have built up good working relationships with and I have never ever let anyone down. Chrissie, you make some very good true points and i agree with you whole-heartedly. 1919, yes you are correct there are far too many models "turning" MUA when the modelling work dries up, and with no skills or qualifications undercut good, professional, insured MUA's.. indeed very frustrating. I know many good, quality MUA's who once up on time were on here every day, we posted on forums, checked for work and emailed. and spoke with one another sharing tips and information. It is now a grave yard for MUA's with very few coming on here with any regularity, and many down grading from silver/ gold memberships to basic, because we just don't get the work from here. I hope this answers a few questions from the point of view of a Pro MUA.


That's worth reading several times, spot on.. there is your answer Rod, no MUA is going to test with you for free the kit is too expensive. Tell you what pop down to Boots and ask how much a basic kit a woman needs.. Or better yet go to ScreenFace and ask how much a working MUA kit costs... I would bet its many times the cost of your kit...

MUA stands for make-up Artist, they are artists, not girls that like a bit of lippy....

I work with a MUA and she is equal partners on most of my shots I can't credit her here on my images because she is not interested in work from this site and doesn't have a membership here, but I love her dearly and she more often than not calls the shots on a job.... On several of my most popular and published shots I was just the monkey that pressed the button, Anne did all the heavy lifting!!! 
Posted 11 Oct 2011
Edited by SimonFairclough 11 Oct 2011
Photorod
Photographer
Photorod
Thank you all for the response so far.

Thank you Simplydevine for your response as a pro MUA.

My casting call is based upon past experience. Prime example is from when I invited a MUA/Bodypainter to a paid bodypaint shoot having seen the work on her port and the various reccomendations. She agreed and attended. Upon arriving the kit looked like a kids posterpaint set, she then said she was not sure she could do the original idea but would try something very close, going against my better judgement I allowed her to continue. The result was embarrasing with the make up running out and the model asking me "what am I supposed to be" to which I had to honestly reply "I am still not sure".

Fortunately since then I have managed to find some fantastic bodypainters who will definitely be employed on some of my projects, however as my projects will span the uk I need to locate MUAs and Bodypinters in other areas. I guess from your post I am just going to have to hope that they are what they say they are and take the risk of a repeat of the past.



Posted 11 Oct 2011
Fisherface
Make Up Artist
Fisherface
JenSomerfield

It would be this test/TF thing which would put them off, I can't think of many other professionals that would work for free on the basis that it might lead to more paid work?


Exactly my view.  I would happily travel to you for paid work but cannot afford to do it unpaid.  My travel expenses would be too high.  If my references aren't good enough to convince someone I am reliable, then there is no point in the reference system.
Posted 11 Oct 2011
Fisherface
Exactly my view.  I would happily travel to you for paid work but cannot afford to do it unpaid.  My travel expenses would be too high.  If my references aren't good enough to convince someone I am reliable, then there is no point in the reference system.
Not only this but you wouldn't ask a painter/decorator to do something for free on the basis that if they're good enough/creative enough they'll get to do the rest of your house. MUA skills are really undervalued, it possibly might be an okay opportunity for a MUA starting out though that doesn't get any regular paid work.
Posted 11 Oct 2011
Photorod
Photographer
Photorod
Having taken on board what has been said I checked out the MUA casting calls and with only 17 out of 80 being for paid work (and that was just a quick look) I can understand the feelings. In response to this post and my checks I have replaced my casting call with a paid casting call.

I hope this meets a favourable response and facilitates my projects.

Rod
Posted 12 Oct 2011
Edited by Photorod 12 Oct 2011
kjoleweb
Photographer
kjoleweb
Photorod
I guess from your post I am just going to have to hope that they are what they say they are and take the risk of a repeat of the past.
Is not that the case with most new connections in just about every aspect of life? When you apply for a job at the local cardealership, how does the boss there know that you can sell cars? He has to trust you. He does not ask you to work a couple of months for free. When someone hires some other person that they don't really know well, there is always a matter of trust, and there is always a risk that the person may be flakey or not living up to their selling points. That's just life in my honest opinion. Some ppl disappoint, and some ppl bring positive surprises. I always do little interviews either by phone or in person before we plan to shoot anything. And sure, I have been stood up more than once. Cheers! J.
Posted 12 Oct 2011
Photorod
Photographer
Photorod
kjoleweb

Is not that the case with most new connections in just about every aspect of life? When you apply for a job at the local cardealership, how does the boss there know that you can sell cars? He has to trust you. He does not ask you to work a couple of months for free. When someone hires some other person that they don't really know well, there is always a matter of trust, and there is always a risk that the person may be flakey or not living up to their selling points. That's just life in my honest opinion. Some ppl disappoint, and some ppl bring positive surprises. I always do little interviews either by phone or in person before we plan to shoot anything. And sure, I have been stood up more than once. Cheers! J.


If I applied for a job at a car dealership I would be interviewed (travelling there at my own cost) and probably on a trial period and usually on commission, so if I sell no cars I receive no pay (worked for free). So actually there are many cases where the situation is relevant.
I test shoot with models and since starting this method have had NO no shows and now have a list of models who do not let me down.

I have now however changed my casting and am already receiving favourable replies from professional MUAs.

Posted 12 Oct 2011
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