Couple of little suggestions (well, pleas actually)

Couple of little suggestions (well, pleas actually)

19 posts
3 Sep 2011
MEaston
Photographer
MEaston
Apologies if these have been mentioned before but a couple of upgrades I'd really like to see... 1. A count of how many times my images have been clicked on. It's really useful to see which images are being viewed the most. 2. An "ethnicity" category in the model's details, which togs could search and filter on. I shoot a lot of Asian models, so trawling through model searches takes so much time without this. Model Mayhem have this functionality and it makes life so much easier. Mark
Posted 3 Sep 2011
Edited by MEaston 3 Sep 2011
Badger
Photographer
Badger






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Posted 3 Sep 2011
Agree with first point...well saidcheeky
Posted 3 Sep 2011
Bob
Photographer
Bob
MEaston

 A count of how many times my images have been clicked on.


No thanks. It's depressing to see how few views the same image gets on my MM profile compared to when it's on the model's. These stats are for two of the images on both my portfolio and my primary muse's ... to add insult to injury she only uses the site sporadically and she was the only one to comment on my profile.

Her profile:-
78 comments
459 views
7 lists

My profile:-
1 comment
19 views
0 lists


Her profile:-
24 comments
816 views
4 lists

My profile:-
1 comment
16 views

0 lists


Bob

Posted 3 Sep 2011
desyek
Photographer
desyek
Bob

No thanks. It's depressing to see how few views the same image gets on my MM profile compared to when it's on the model's. These stats are for two of the images on both my portfolio and my primary muse's ... to add insult to injury she only uses the site sporadically and she was the only one to comment on my profile.

Her profile:-
78 comments
459 views
7 lists

My profile:-
1 comment
19 views
0 lists


Her profile:-
24 comments
816 views
4 lists

My profile:-
1 comment
16 views

0 lists


Bob



Same here Bob - on the model's page an image of mine got a Daily Deviation on Deviantart. On my own, I had about 20 views...
Posted 3 Sep 2011
MEaston
Photographer
MEaston
desyek
Same here Bob - on the model's page an image of mine got a Daily Deviation on Deviantart. On my own, I had about 20 views...
I understand the two posts above me's points of view but for me it's about seeing how popular the images I post on my profile are relative to each other. We should all probably realise by now that model's portfolios will always be more popular than us poor under-appreciated togs!
Posted 3 Sep 2011
Bob
Photographer
Bob
MEaston

I shoot a lot of Asian models, so trawling through model searches takes so much time without this. 

Do you shoot a lot of Asian models or Oriental models?

Ethnicity can be a right PITA as everyone seems to have their own ideas on what each term means and some take offence when they disagree with the category.

I have one good friend of Indian sub-Continent descent who insists on being called West Asian as her grandparents came from what is now Pakistan and Bangladesh, formerly part of India, but she does not consider herself to be Indian. Likewise, I have a friend of Hong Kong extract who on political grounds considers herself to be Southeast Asian rather than Oriental, even though previous generations of her family describe themselves Chinese.

Then there is the whole African / Black African / Caribbean / Afro-Caribbean / Black British conundrum.

This is a ruddy minefield in these PC and NuSpk times, so I just look at the pretty pictures and decide if the model meets the brief. It's a lot easier and less likely to cause unintentional offence and silly accusations of "racism".

Bob

PS If you have a higher level of membership you can search by skin colour, though of course that only works if the model chooses to give it.
Posted 3 Sep 2011
Bob
Photographer
Bob
MEaston

We should all probably realise by now that model's portfolios will always be more popular than us poor under-appreciated togs!

Tell that to Iconic, who is rabbiting on about mythical male/female equality on another thread.
Bob
Posted 3 Sep 2011
MEaston
Photographer
MEaston
Bob
Do you shoot a lot of Asian models or Oriental models? Ethnicity can be a right PITA as everyone seems to have their own ideas on what each term means and some take offence when they disagree with the category. I have one good friend of Indian sub-Continent descent who insists on being called West Asian as her grandparents came from what is now Pakistan and Bangladesh, formerly part of India, but she does not consider herself to be Indian. Likewise, I have a friend of Hong Kong extract who on political grounds considers herself to be Southeast Asian rather than Oriental, even though previous generations of her family describe themselves Chinese. Then there is the whole African / Black African / Caribbean / Afro-Caribbean / Black British conundrum. This is a ruddy minefield in these PC and NuSpk times, so I just look at the pretty pictures and decide if the model meets the brief. It's a lot easier and less likely to cause unintentional offence and silly accusations of "racism". Bob PS If you have a higher level of membership you can search by skin colour, though of course that only works if the model chooses to give it.
Actually you should never refer to people as "Oriental" - not for PC reasons but because it's grammatically incorrect (Oriental refers to objects, not people)! To be honest it's really not a problem, as I said Model Mayhem (and OMP if memory serves) seem to manage just fine - and they're from the home of PC! - they have a drop down menu and the model can self-identify from that (including catch-alls such as "mixed" and "other"). By using categories that specifically apply to ethnicity rather then nationality (i.e. Caucasian, Asian, Afro-Carribean) then the "Black British" conundrum goes away. By letting the model self-identify from a drop-down menu of options (and giving them an opt-out) in the form of "other", most other web-sites seem to get around this and "minefield" is avoided. Problem solved! Mark PS Just took a(nother) look at model mayhem, here's the options they offer: Asian, Black, Caucasian, Eastern European, East Indian, Hispanic, Middle Eastern, Native American, No Answer, Other, Pacific Islander - seems to be plenty of choice there!
Posted 3 Sep 2011
Edited by MEaston 3 Sep 2011
Bob
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Bob
MEaston

Actually you should never refer to people as "Oriental" - not for PC reasons but because it's grammatically incorrect (Oriental refers to objects, not people)! 


I suspect that the Faculty of Oriental Studies at Oxford might take you to task over that interpretation.
Bob
Posted 3 Sep 2011
MEaston
Photographer
MEaston
Bob
I suspect that the Faculty of Oriental Studies at Oxford might take you to task over that interpretation. Bob
Yes, they study the region, they don't conduct experiments on the people (at least to my knowledge)
Posted 3 Sep 2011
Bob
Photographer
Bob
MEaston

Just took a(nother) look at model mayhem, here's the options they offer: Asian, Black, Caucasian, Eastern European, East Indian, Hispanic, Middle Eastern, Native American, No Answer, Other, Pacific Islander - seems to be plenty of choice there!


I think you have merely highlighted the problem, as that list would not allow anyone searching to find my friend of Pakistani-Bangladeshi origin as she would not consider herself to be Black (as that is not how she would describe her skin tone or ethnicity), Caucasian (though according to some definitions she is), or East Indian (due to the political considerations) so she would choose No Answer or Other if forced to pick one.
Bob
Posted 3 Sep 2011
MEaston
Photographer
MEaston
Bob
I think you have merely highlighted the problem, as that list would not allow anyone searching to find my friend of Pakistani-Bangladeshi origin as she would not consider herself to be Black (as that is not how she would describe her skin tone or ethnicity), Caucasian (though according to some definitions she is), or East Indian (due to the political considerations) so she would choose No Answer or Other if forced to pick one. Bob
Not at all, she could identify however she wanted - Asian would be an option (Pakistan and Bangladesh are both parts of Asia). When searching, you can leave the ethnicity field blank, so people would still be able to find her.
Posted 3 Sep 2011
Bob
Photographer
Bob
MEaston

Asian would be an option (Pakistan and Bangladesh are both parts of Asia).

Fair point, well presented.

MEaston

When searching, you can leave the ethnicity field blank, so people would still be able to find her.

If searching for a specific type, are blank fields returned?

I actually find Purestorm's skin type search option (White, Black, Olive, Tanned, or Other) to be just about perfect, especially if used along with eye colour, though admittedly if specifically looking for a model from an Oriental country from that part of Far East Asia where many have more yellowish (jaundiced) skin tones there might be a problem.

Bob

Posted 3 Sep 2011
Edited by Bob 3 Sep 2011
MEaston
Photographer
MEaston
Bob
Fair point, well presented. MEaston When searching, you can leave the ethnicity field blank, so people would still be able to find her. If searching for a specific type, are blank fields returned? I actually find Purestorm's skin type search option (White, Black, Olive, Tanned, or Other) to be just about perfect, especially if used along with eye colour, though admittedly if specifically looking for a model from an Oriental country from that part of Far East Asia where many have more yellowish (jaundiced) skin tones there might be a problem. Bob
When searching, you use the "No Answer" option to see models who've left their ethnicity deliberately blank, if you leave the search option blank then all ethnicites are returned and just your other search criteria are used (just as if you only searched on hair colour on here and weren't bothered about any other criteria). You can also search on multiple ethnicities; for example, on MM I usually search on Asian, East Indian and Pacific Islander, which is a pretty good catch all for me,
Posted 3 Sep 2011
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