Where do you make most of your income?

Where do you make most of your income?

18 posts
24 April 2010
LeanneMakeUp
Make Up Artist
LeanneMakeUp
Where do you guys make most of your income from in make-up?

My main source used to be shoots (mainly glamour) but not anymore. I'm seeing regular clients being stolen by fellow make-up artists due to them offering a dirt cheap low rate. Highly frustrating.

I do makeovers and portfolios too but it's finding good local photographers who have the time for it to dedicate to making it regular enough work.

I could make a good living from bridal but I don't like doing it so I'm very selective about my bridal work.

I would like to get into commercial but I've no idea how to. And can't seem to find good agencies.

Posted 24 April 2010
its the same with any job realy i think my sister has her own salon but has to compete with others just like yourself if others are able to get their prices low why can you not do this too till you have a good name out there for yourself then put the prices back up when they are fighting for you. its the same as any job really all depends how well your known and do you do the job and the evidance of this ie ports.

Posted 24 April 2010
also lower prices more work more reputation more port peices. higher prices less work leving you with less reputation and less in your port x

Posted 24 April 2010
LeanneMakeUp
Make Up Artist
LeanneMakeUp
Point is I already have a very good name for myself and over 250 references. I have worked for lots of magazines and designers and also model myself. I am not dropping my rates with the amount of experience I have if people keep dropping rates in the end nobody will have work
Posted 24 April 2010
whats wrong with bridal anyway i model bridal and love it lol
Posted 24 April 2010
MMM_WOW
Make Up Artist
MMM_WOW
There are well over 500 colleges in the Uk running Make up courses, if each of those has just 10 students, at year end they would turn out 5000 newly qualified make-up artists, add to that the plethora of models that now advertise they do thier own make-up, and the people that have a boots no& kit for christmas, you end up with a market that is swamped.

You could cut your prices , as was suggested, work for nothing, drive yourself to bankrupcy, but is not the way to go in any market, even though there is a reccession.

Very few will come knocking on your door, mainly because they cant be bothered, you have to continually market yourself and your skills, you need to work out what your USP ( unique selling point) is and just market the hell out of yourself.

If you are self employed, then it is a constant marketing battle and also if you are self employed, I really envy you being in the financial position to be able to pick and choose what work you do, Not everyone can afford to be as selective in refusing to do one genre of work even if it pays well and at the end of the day we all need to pay the bills.

You say you want to get into commercial work, or find an agancy or local photographers, then that is all about getting out there promoting yourself to them, looking for them , trawling websites, yellow pages, its all part of the joys of self employment.

Sorry if its not what you wanted to hear, sympathy is in the dictionary , you are working in a cut throat world,in a time of economic crisis (real or percieved) it is at times like this you have to sink or swim, and to swim you got to keep moving, getting your name around,knocking on doors etc.

John

Posted 24 April 2010
simplydivine
Make Up Artist
simplydivine
I totally agree with all you say John. I am really busy at the minute, which is fantastic.I have had low times when work has been thin on the ground, but as you say you just have to keep pushing and marketing and doing what ever work pays the bills, I will never turn paid work away, I can't afford to be that choosy yet, but even if I could I still doubt I would.
Posted 26 April 2010
Secondskin
Make Up Artist
Secondskin
tasmintaylor

also lower prices more work more reputation more port peices. higher prices less work leving you with less reputation and less in your port x


Sorry, i dont agree with this! I dont lower my prices. I have been told many times by my clients...you get what you pay for!! My clients have found cheaper make up artists but they stick by me because they say i give 100% satisfaction and i dont think my port has suffered either?? Also word of mouth is far more successful at bringing in work than my port on here. In my opinion MUAs who undercut others prices do two things....firstly, eventually they will get discovered as being the undercutter and they LOSE their reputation as its not all about THEIR work, its about the profession as a whole and  secondly the biggest mistake to make in business is under selling yourself...long term, its fatal!!
Posted 26 April 2010
Secondskin
Make Up Artist
Secondskin
LeanneMakeUp

Point is I already have a very good name for myself and over 250 references. I have worked for lots of magazines and designers and also model myself. I am not dropping my rates with the amount of experience I have if people keep dropping rates in the end nobody will have work


TOTALLY agree with you Leanne!!
Posted 26 April 2010
Secondskin
Make Up Artist
Secondskin
simplydivine

I totally agree with all you say John. I am really busy at the minute, which is fantastic.I have had low times when work has been thin on the ground, but as you say you just have to keep pushing and marketing and doing what ever work pays the bills, I will never turn paid work away, I can't afford to be that choosy yet, but even if I could I still doubt I would.


Yep, I agree with John too. Its bloody hard. I have areas of makeup that i dont like but i still do it. I will not pick and choose and its like any job..it has its good projects and not so good!!  And John is also right about the marketing bit. You have to push your boundaries. I recently took on a job with the Fire Service that had me literally pooping my pants!! I felt sick for a week before it...but i pushed myself and now iv landed a regular gig with them...so its all about feeling the fear and doing it anyway..lol.

And i agree with you too Simply!!! I wouldnt turn work away even if i could....thats just my nature!! lol
Posted 26 April 2010
LeanneMakeUp
Make Up Artist
LeanneMakeUp
Yeah, I must admit I am slacking on advertising myself at the moment lol I must push my marketing more!

Posted 26 April 2010
LeanneMakeUp
Make Up Artist
LeanneMakeUp
Secondskin

Yep, I agree with John too. Its bloody hard. I have areas of makeup that i dont like but i still do it. I will not pick and choose and its like any job..it has its good projects and not so good!!  And John is also right about the marketing bit. You have to push your boundaries. I recently took on a job with the Fire Service that had me literally pooping my pants!! I felt sick for a week before it...but i pushed myself and now iv landed a regular gig with them...so its all about feeling the fear and doing it anyway..lol.

And i agree with you too Simply!!! I wouldnt turn work away even if i could....thats just my nature!! lol



Yeah I do all kinds too whatever pays... Some make-up artists will only do a few select genres but I personally don't. 
Posted 26 April 2010
simplydivine
Make Up Artist
simplydivine
Gaynor that's right Pro MUA's should not cut prices, I think most of us charge around the same and give equal quality of work just in different styles. As you say I don't think the quality of my port suffers because I take on paid work instead of TF or low paid work either. I still get booked on the strength of my work, as do you and others. Leanne you already said in your original post that you are pick and choose your bridal work lol.
Posted 27 April 2010
Victoria_Howard
Make Up Artist
Victoria_Howard
Agents and word of mouth have being the most effective.


I also disagree with tasmin taylor.



Posted 27 April 2010
Jeff_Langhorne
Photographer
Jeff_Langhorne
Having worked with Karen and Gaynor and agreeing with them both on what they've said I can't emphasise enough how beneficial it is to work with someone skilled even if they are more expensive... thats the point. You get what you pay for and a bad MUA can ruin as hoot and cost you more in the long run. 

Most of my paid work is Weddings and I see thousands charging far less and an increase in clients wanting all for nothing. I have to stick to my guns and say if you want this product and more importantly ME then you pay for it. Like wise with an MUA, you're paying for a skill not an item that one shop may sell cheaper than another but it's exactly the same. 

 Why should I charge £600 for a wedding and give a cheap product and get a reputation as such but actually be better than those in that price bracket and have weddings that aren't great and a nightmare and have 40 in a year when I can do 25 at £2000 and have really nice venues and clients!!! Obviously what you're giving has to show it's worth it!! 

 Sometimes being cheap puts people off as they think thats exactly what they will get at the end of it! cheap, sub standard and be unhappy with the end result. 

As an MUA your work relies on the photographer showing it off to it's best so by being cheap you might get booked more but what results will you get out of it?! 

suppose it's like everything really, Branston beans or Tesco value, Sovereign ring from Argos (nice!) or bespoke platinum with diamonds!! A photographer or a GWC.... an MUA or someone with a brush and blusher!

 Don't undersell yourself as it can be extremely difficult to increase your price with any significance later.
Posted 27 April 2010
Edited by Jeff_Langhorne 27 April 2010
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