Am I unreasonable??

Am I unreasonable??

20 posts
31 July 2009
makeup
Make Up Artist
makeup
I was contacted for a job, it was a paid job as well and.  Now I agreed to do this job at a slight rate cut as this is apparently going to be published and the job was originally going to be based in Sheffield which is easy for me to get to as I am in Rotherham.  First the date changed, then the date changed again from the second agreed day, then the photographer said he wouldn't pay on the day he'd do it by invoice, then the location changed to Leicester - I did initially agree to this but a couple of days later, after some reflection I contacted the photographer and said that I couldn't do this because including the travelling time I would be getting less than £10 per hour and financially it just was wasn't viable.  I apologised as it is not in my nature to let people down, I offered to help locate a new MUA who was closer to the shoot which I thought was the decent thing to do.  I got a terse email this morning that makes me glad I decided to cancel this shoot.

I am wondering though am I unreasonable to have cancelled.

Sian
Posted 31 July 2009
TonyS
Photographer
TonyS
No your not unreasonable.

Posted 31 July 2009
desyek
Photographer
desyek
Depends on how much notice before the shoot you gave before canceling - if it was less than a few days before the agreed date then you're being unreasonable.

If it left the photographer plenty of time to find someone else, then they're being unreasonable.

Posted 31 July 2009
RNPhotography
Photographer
RNPhotograph..
Sounds like you've handled it really well, unfortunatley not everyone is the same way inclined as you have found from the email you recieved! take it with a pinch of salt, you've not only been accomodating with all the constant changes up until now, you've also offered to help find another mua...what more do they want?
Posted 31 July 2009
RNPhotography
Photographer
RNPhotograph..
desyek

Depends on how much notice before the shoot you gave before canceling .


hmmm...didnt think of that! thats a good point really!

Posted 31 July 2009
jesi
Make Up Artist
jesi
I think you had every right to do this and it was good of you to offer to help find a replacement.  They have messed you around so be glad you got out of it as I'm sure there would've been yet another problem further down the line..like not being able to pay you at all!  Don't feel guilty.
Posted 31 July 2009
desyek
Photographer
desyek
RNPhotography

hmmm...didnt think of that! thats a good point really!



It's one of my 'key' questions when something like this happens.

If someone were to cancel a booking made in advance within 48 hours of it taking place, I'd be very 'not amused'. If I'm given around 7 days etc, that's fine - because it'll give me either a week to find someone else who'll fill the space OR give me a week to reschedule the whole thing.

I am curious as to what sort of rates the OP was offered for it to work out at around £10ph!


Posted 31 July 2009
makeup
Make Up Artist
makeup
I gave five days notice, which should be plenty of time to find a replacement especially if I helped and as I told him I know several MUAs who potentially could have done the job but I haven't been given the opportunity to help.

The rate I quoted was £25ph however this was negotiated down to £20 per hour on the promise of a tear sheet - this was for a 3 hour shoot based in sheffield but as I have to travel on the train to Leicester I have to add 2 hours for each journey thereby making the day 7 hours long instead of 3 - in fairness to the tog he did offer to pay £20 for my travel costs but my costs for travel were more than that anyway. So basically if you work it out I would have been getting the grand sum of £8.50per hour, oh yes and the excuse for not paying me on the day was that he didn't want me carrying around a large sum of money - all £60 of it.

Sian

feeling distinctly not amused

Posted 31 July 2009
TonyS
Photographer
TonyS
makeup

 oh yes and the excuse for not paying me on the day was that he didn't want me carrying around a large sum of money - all £60 of it.


Jesus, sounds like a piss take. I would anticipate problems getting the monet after the event, on invoice you could wait over a month as well


better off binned in my opinion

Posted 31 July 2009
jes
Model
jes
Something a bit dodgy there!....That was a terrible excuse for not wanting to pay you!  You really are best off out of that one I reckon.
Posted 31 July 2009
andybeeuk
Photographer
andybeeuk
Yeah, if people are not prepared to pay on the day then its a no go!, an invoice for £75!!!! is it worth it!

no.... you made the right choice!



Posted 31 July 2009
makeup
Make Up Artist
makeup
Thank you for the support, I didn't think I was being unreasonable but it's always nice to have others opinions and its good to have somewhere to be able to vent.

Sian

Posted 31 July 2009
frankpht
Photographer
frankpht
your well out of that one
Posted 31 July 2009
Secondskin
Make Up Artist
Secondskin
RNPhotography

hmmm...didnt think of that! thats a good point really!



Yeah BUT can we keep in mind how much they messed her about too??? so i dont think giving 5 days notice is unreasonable..Its plenty of time to find another MUA AND she tried to help there also?? AND if the photographer wasnt trying to get something for next to no payment then he wouldnt have had that problem in the first place. This is just another case of trying to cut the pay of working MUAs...So if you dont want to pay then you can expect this type of thing happening. She didnt let anyone down, she got talked down and decided she wasnt happy about it. Fair enough i think.
Posted 6 Aug 2009
Secondskin
Make Up Artist
Secondskin
Didnt want you carrying a large sum of money around??????? PAHH!!!!! Something VERY untrustworthy there me thinks...Good job he didnt want a bodypaint..I would have to have a bodyguard with me to carry my £150 payment around...
Posted 6 Aug 2009
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