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JSP is off-linePlatinum Member
24 May 2015 02:56
Ladiesman
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Leicestershire



I would like to see such people banned from every image hosting website on the Internet.

I'm afraid the theft of people's work is becoming quite common nowadays. And yes, the vast majority of the culprits don't even realise that they've done anything wrong!

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Paul Hodson is off-line
24 May 2015 04:33
mph
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Quote from Ladiesman
I would like to see such people banned from every image hosting website on the Internet. I'm afraid the theft of people's work is becoming quite common nowadays. And yes, the vast majority of the culprits don't even realise that they've done anything wrong!



Be a bit rough to ban them then!  Educate instead perhaps - and ban them if they continued to offend?
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JSP is off-linePlatinum Member
24 May 2015 05:03
Ladiesman
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Quote from mph
Be a bit rough to ban them then!  Educate instead perhaps - and ban them if they continued to offend?



Possibly, definitely needs to be a lot of education as to what constitutes copyright theft. Then maybe a permanent ban!

If you (talking generally) are supposed to be a photographer then you should know that copyright theft is not tolerated in the industry. For these people there should be an automatic ban as they have no defence.
 
Some models could also do with a bit of education in that regards.
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Skymouse is off-lineGold Member
24 May 2015 05:32
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Quote from Chrissie_Red
When confronted by the original photographers the person/photographer didn't seem to understand why there was an issue,





Why did the photographer "confront" the alleged infringer? Surely sending a properly constituted take-down notice would have been more fruitful.

"Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - Groucho Marx.


JSP is off-linePlatinum Member
24 May 2015 05:43
Ladiesman
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Quote from skymouse
Why did the photographer "confront" the alleged infringer? Surely sending a properly constituted take-down notice would have been more fruitful.




Good question. I suspect that a lot of photographers do not know how to go about getting their content removed from other websites. Or in some cases they do, but simply can't be bothered.
 
Perhaps there should be some education on sites like Pure Storm as regards to this subject. Maybe there is..... I haven't checked.
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24 May 2015 20:34
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Quote from Ladiesman
Good question. I suspect that a lot of photographers do not know how to go about getting their content removed from other websites. Or in some cases they do, but simply can't be bothered.
 
Perhaps there should be some education on sites like Pure Storm as regards to this subject. Maybe there is..... I haven't checked.




Not really a "good question"

Confronting / messaging / contacting (whatever word you want to use) in this situation is a "hostile" message to get to somebody, its basically saying "I know you have stole my work/edited out my watermark/edited the image/added your own watermark/have it for sale" isn't a nice message to have to send, its Chrissie_Red is a naughty person ty having others try and pass of your work as their own and the photographer has every right to look at the other person as a negative/enemy. It's probably not a nice message to recieve either.. "Chrissie_Red is a naughty person I've been found out/ oh crap" - its hardly a friendly message to send or recieve.

I agree more education should be given, the person who stole the images etc was studying photography at college. You would hope/think that educating their students on respecting other peoples work should be high on the priority. Even if you are a crap photographer its better to learn and have people see an improvement over time than have a portfolio with 80% other peoples work because its glaringly obvious to people who look at photographs to spot these inconsistencies.

I have seen take down notices mentioned in the past - on purestorm, its a pretty common "trend" but that wasn't what this post was about - the professional landscape photographer this happened to knows how to deal with the situation, shes had it happen before and will have it happen again no doubt. 

It was purely a question of - could you socialise with people who had done this in the past? I have an issue with "forgiving & forgetting" in these situations because I do think theft of images is one of the worst things you can do on this scene - because I respect photographers work. I guess I would be the same if I knew somebody who had robbed an old folks home... Would I invite them over to my nana and granddads for tea and biscuits - would I hell! Would I welcome them into my life and say "oh well it was 2 years ago now, lets just pretend it didn't happen".

I can forgive people who don't do photography much easier because they don't really value/respect images in the same way because they don't know what goes into the constructing of an image but other photographers (even struggling beginners) do know - because they obviously struggle with creating something they are proud of so instead of getting better they steal to sell.



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25 May 2015 02:17
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I'm with you Chrissie, image theft is no different from any other theft. Worse still if the image is then 'passed off' as another's work - that's fraud and theft. I'd ask them about the matter at a public event quite happily, and guage the response. There really is only one response acceptable whicbwpuld be hiuge embarrassment and apology - but really, who doesn't know its wrong to steal or pretend you've made something you plainly hadn't made?

Unless the person is less than ten years old, they should know better. Tjisnisnt a matter of specialist subject knowledge or education, just one of thinking they'd get away with stealing.


JSP is off-linePlatinum Member
25 May 2015 02:58
Ladiesman
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Leicestershire
Leicestershire

Quote from Chrissie_Red
Not really a "good question"

Confronting / messaging / contacting (whatever word you want to use) in this situation is a "hostile" message to get to somebody, its basically saying "I know you have stole my work/edited out my watermark/edited the image/added your own watermark/have it for sale" isn't a nice message to have to send, its Ladiesman is a naughty person ty having others try and pass of your work as their own and the photographer has every right to look at the other person as a negative/enemy. It's probably not a nice message to recieve either.. "Ladiesman is a naughty person I've been found out/ oh crap" - its hardly a friendly message to send or recieve.

I agree more education should be given, the person who stole the images etc was studying photography at college. You would hope/think that educating their students on respecting other peoples work should be high on the priority. Even if you are a crap photographer its better to learn and have people see an improvement over time than have a portfolio with 80% other peoples work because its glaringly obvious to people who look at photographs to spot these inconsistencies.

I have seen take down notices mentioned in the past - on purestorm, its a pretty common "trend" but that wasn't what this post was about - the professional landscape photographer this happened to knows how to deal with the situation, shes had it happen before and will have it happen again no doubt. 

It was purely a question of - could you socialise with people who had done this in the past? I have an issue with "forgiving & forgetting" in these situations because I do think theft of images is one of the worst things you can do on this scene - because I respect photographers work. I guess I would be the same if I knew somebody who had robbed an old folks home... Would I invite them over to my nana and granddads for tea and biscuits - would I hell! Would I welcome them into my life and say "oh well it was 2 years ago now, lets just pretend it didn't happen".

I can forgive people who don't do photography much easier because they don't really value/respect images in the same way because they don't know what goes into the constructing of an image but other photographers (even struggling beginners) do know - because they obviously struggle with creating something they are proud of so instead of getting better they steal to sell.





Well I didn't actually ask the question.
 
And what you've just said about copyright theft (which is what it is) in your very long reply is exactly what I've just said in a few words a few posts up. In fact I was criticised for coming across as being too hostile towards those that steal other people's work.
 
My reason for not having much time for people who steal other people's work is because I spent most of 2014 issuing DMCA takedown notices. 
 
When the culprit had taken down my images they would then put them back up a couple of days later, and so the whole process has to be gone through again.
 
I also have a problem with "forgiving & forgetting."
 
I think we can all agree that copyright theft is not acceptable.
 
I personally have a 0 tolerance to those who steal....
 
In your situation, Yes I would say something. Saying "what and when" is entirely up to you.
 
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Skymouse is off-lineGold Member
25 May 2015 06:21
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London

Quote from Chrissie_Red

I have seen take down notices mentioned in the past - on purestorm, its a pretty common "trend" but that wasn't what this post was about - the professional landscape photographer this happened to knows how to deal with the situation, shes had it happen before and will have it happen again no doubt. 

It was purely a question of - could you socialise with people who had done this in the past?




In this case, the answer I gave to your question — which was that no, I would not bring a work problem into a social situation — remains correct.

"Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - Groucho Marx.


Zanussi is off-line
27 May 2015 00:59
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I think we all deserve one stupid mistake. Just the knowledge someone in the group knows about it should help deter future transgressions. But I am biased, I have done some monumentally idiotic things in my time



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